re: There are a lot of "conservatives" who want to end the MAGA/America First Populism.

Look there’s no shame in giving populism a quick google to just give yourself a quick double check on the basic premise of the concept.

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So there is no difference in your mind between the American people and people from everywhere else?

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Of course there is, and I specifically posted that there is in the post you quoted and named what that big difference was.

See if you can read it again, slowly this time, and pick it out.

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Additionally, this is another stellar example of exactly why you idiots are so dangerous. You argued just now exactly like a leftist wailing about "democracy." Yet again, you are on the same page as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Maxine Waters, AOC, etc., etc., etc.

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None of those people, with the exception of maybe AOC and her squad listen to their constituents. The difference is in the policies we pursue. If you think the idea that government exists with the consent of the government is leftist, you’ve pretty much tagged every elected official on earth a leftist, you dumb arse.

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The reality of the situation is that the guys who wrote the Declaration of independence had a very ANTI-populist view of how this country should work. They didn't conceive of "the people" being low IQ members of the Great Unwashed.

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Yeah, and Jefferson basically imagined us as a permanently agrarian society. History happens and things change, congratulations on showing the limitations of founding principles.

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There are a lot of "conservatives" who want to end the MAGA/America First Populism.

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There's a prominent poster here who made that statement and then very shortly thereafter complained that Republican voters didn't care enough to vote out House members who didn't care about our overspending.

For some, they were told it was a boogeyman and they believe it.

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Yeah, and Jefferson basically imagined us as a permanently agrarian society. History happens and things change, congratulations on showing the limitations of founding principles.

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O.k., no one is this dumb. You've got to be trolling now.

"Blah-Blah-Blah, the Declaration of Independence agrees with me!!!"

"Actually, no it doesn't."

"Well then, that just goes to show how dumb the people who wrote it were!"

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If you think the idea that government exists with the consent of the government is leftist, you’ve pretty much tagged every elected official on earth a leftist, you dumb arse.

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Good thing for me then, that I never said anything like that. Look, if you're going to make up whatever nonsense you want and attribute it to me, you don't need me for this discussion. You can have it by yourself.

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Has no first order principles other than complete and utter fealty to Donald Trump. Some of us would like to see that fever break.

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You guys always end up binarying your way to this conclusion when it comes to your attempts to understand our motivation for supporting Trump.

I can sit here and tell you that I think he's not a person I'd want to have anything to do with in business or personally, but I will vote for him every time based on what he did post 2016 in spite of an unprecedented turning of the state attack dogs on him the whole time. Not because I'm in a cult, but because YOU fear that dude more than anybody, and after four years I see why. And thus, it's not actually about Trump. It's about you. You need the dirt packed on your political graves and he's just the force of nature to put you there.

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because YOU fear that dude more than anybody, and after four years I see why.

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wut

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If there was no welfare state you’d happily replace the citizens of the United States with say the citizens of Saudi Arabia.

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Nope, not what I said. And either you are even dumber than I think, or you know it's not what I have said and you are worse than stupid, you're dishonest.

Either way, I'm happy to have a discussion—even with a moron—but I'm not happy to have to keep correcting your mischaracterizations of what I have said.

It's all yours, short-bus. You don't need me if you're going to just keep concocting my side of the argument out of thin air.

"America First Populism" has nothing to do with conservatism.

Maybe around 2015 or 2016 you could credibly claim that "MAGA" was the logical continuation of the Ron Paul Tea Party, grassroots conserva-tarian movement, but the longer that "MAGA" goes on the more it becomes clear that it is fundamentally empty.

At present, "MAGA" is filled with liars and sociopathic grifters like Laura Loomer, Kari Lake, and Brenden Dilley. (If you still believe that George Soros endorsed Ron DeSantis, know that Trump and his toadies lied to you and they have no problem doing it again.)

All of these Trump sycophants were abject failures as political candidates, so they should have been cast off by whatever movement spawned them, but they weren't. Instead these epic meme warriors are held up as major influencers and commentators by the people who just a few years ago were applauding Trump's "you're gonna get so tired of winning" line. And they are heralded by "MAGA" solely because they drink Trump's bathwater, because at least at present "MAGA" is nothing but a Fan Club for Donald Trump. It's an embarassing and completely unserious excuse for a political movement.

It's really remarkable to watch "MAGA" in action over the past few weeks in particular. After the 1st debate (which MAGA Grifters insisted was irrelevant but constantly reacted to anyway), there were multiple Democrats on their back heels, like Jen Psaki. Whatever else you want to say about the Republicans on stage, they wisely ripped into the Dems for supporting unrestricted late term abortion, which is not only morally reprehensible but deeply unpopular at the national level, so Dems like Psaki had to go on defense and lie through their teeth. Prominent Dems could easily be pressured into explaining themselves on what restrictions they agree with, if any.

But that golden opportunity to go on offense was wiped out because Trump himself, being petty, petulant and yes - not a conservative - couldn't help but rip into DeSantis on the national stage by sliming Florida's Pro Life law as a "terrible thing". And naturally, the ever-so-conservative "MAGAdonians" fell in line. Trump threw Dems a completely unearned life preserver instead of joining in to pressure them on late term abortion at the national level, and he also gave them untold amounts of free ad material ("look! even Trump thinks Republicans are too extreme!"). Next year, Florida has a crucial referendum on abortion, and if it goes the wrong way, it would be impossible for a red legislature to undo. In fact, Donald the "conservative swamp drainer" was openly talking about some sort of vapid deal that he wanted to make with Dems if he were re-elected. So yeah, thanks for that one, Donald.

And now "MAGA World" is melting down because Trump was correctly criticized for reckless spending and money-printing, at least on par with Dubya and Obama. I'm supposed to sit here and pay no mind to the fact that Trump enthusiastically added trillions to the debt? Not happening.

I was marching with the Tea Party while Trump was still cutting checks to Hillary Clinton and Charlie Rangel, so Trump and the rest of his throne-sniffing yes-men can sit down and shut up with their bleating. Trump did add trillions to the debt (while getting cucked by Fauci), and if that doesn't bother you then can take "fiscal responsibility" out of your vocabulary.

Let's look at another core tenant of American conservatism - 2nd Amendment Rights. Did you enjoy Donald's bump stock ban? If you're about to say that you don't care because you didn't have one, pause and familiarize yourself with "incrementalism", because that's precisely how the American left had gradually nibbled away at the 2nd Amendment. Your gun rights weren't undermines overnight, and Trump signaled that he is more than ready to compromise when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. Pretty stunning, given how his Fan Club constantly pretends to hate "RINOs" who are too close to Dems. But I guess Trump sharing a table with Diane Feinstein and openly calling for the circumvention of the 1nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments doesn't count as RINO-y. Reality is that had his statement come from the mouth of any other politician, he would have been ripped by "MAGA" as a dirty, sellout, traitor. In fact that, it sounds like something that Robert Francis O'Rourke would openly agitate for. But because MAGA is only a fan club and not a movement with any kind of first principles, his words don't matter.

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The perfect encapsulation of MAGA, at least at the moment, is watching Trump take the stage and unreservedly defend an actual RINO, Lindsey Graham , before a chorus of jeers, because Trump preposterously wants his help to negotiate with Dems. And as always, "MAGA" mostly doesn't care, just like they don't care that Trump whiffed on the border wall, just like they don't care that he won't answer for his record in real time on a debate stage. Trump is either a coward for not explaining why he capitulated to Fauci, and/or a delusional narcissist if he believes that he committed no errors.

And you're clowning if you believe that a man who is too cowardly, delusional, and narcissistic to spend 2 hours on a debate stage is going to charge back into DC and scatter the CIA to the winds or whatever. If you're not already upset with Trump "the swamp drainer" for hiring punks like Chris Wray and Mark Milley and giving laughable reasons for doing so, I doubt there's anything he could say or do that would give you pause, if you still purport to be conservative at all.

PS: Trump went out of his way to endorse Kevin McCarthy for Speaker while a handful of conservatives were actually trying to squeeze concessions from him. Completely incoherent for "MAGA conservatives" to cheer for his ousting.

If Trump wasn't a threat to the uniparty, we wouldn't be seeing this level of desperation in the tactics to stop him from becoming president again. And the reason for that is because he will actually do you guys serious harm if he gets in. And that's a plus for the world so UNLEASH THE ORANGE KRAKEN!