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The winning continues - Cali federal judge upholds Trumps EO cutting off subsidies
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:45 pm
frick you to the Dem AGs that brought this
BTW, an Obama appointee.
BTW, an Obama appointee.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 3:49 pm
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:48 pm to udtiger
too much winning for half a week
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:49 pm to udtiger
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an Obama appointee.
I think the farther this country gets away from his eight years of "leadership", I think we'll see more of this. The real adults in the room are starting to realize how bad he was for the validity of the constitution.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:50 pm to udtiger
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A U.S. judge in California on Wednesday refused to block President Donald Trump's decision to end subsidy payments to health insurers under Obamacare, rejecting a request by Democratic attorneys general from 18 U.S. states.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:51 pm to udtiger
NEED
WATER
TOO
MUCH
MAGA'ING
WATER
TOO
MUCH
MAGA'ING
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:57 pm to udtiger
The funny thing about the messaging and this EO...Trump has just instructed his administration to follow the DC judge's ruling. The GOP congress sued the Obama administration for spending money that was not appropriated by congress. The GOP congress won the suit based on Article 1.
Trump tell his administration to follow the law. Every Dem and NeverTrumper is telling Trump to break the law and give insurance companies money that is not appropriated.
Even the Obama judge makes Trump follow the law.
Trump tell his administration to follow the law. Every Dem and NeverTrumper is telling Trump to break the law and give insurance companies money that is not appropriated.
Even the Obama judge makes Trump follow the law.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 3:58 pm to GumboPot
yeah the Congressional action + prior federal court ruling puts Trump on the right side of the law in this instance
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:10 pm to udtiger
Maybe they should have tried filing in Hawaii. The winning continues.
ETA: They will probably appeal so they can let the real loony tunes on the 9th circus have a say.
ETA: They will probably appeal so they can let the real loony tunes on the 9th circus have a say.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:14 pm to udtiger
frick it. Pants are off. Winning really does feel this damn good.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:18 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
MR PRESIDENT WE CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE ITS TOO MUCH WINNING!
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:21 pm to udtiger
I guess it is purely about the tribal victories at this point huh?
Since if you judge victories by how the policies actually affect people, well:
Its one thing to say you have a better way, its another thing to show your better way is actually increasing costs for the taxpayer and the consumer without anything you can point to as bettering people's lives.
But Trump got his victory for the tribalists by raising everyone's costs, congrats?
Since if you judge victories by how the policies actually affect people, well:
Its one thing to say you have a better way, its another thing to show your better way is actually increasing costs for the taxpayer and the consumer without anything you can point to as bettering people's lives.
But Trump got his victory for the tribalists by raising everyone's costs, congrats?
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:22 pm to bonhoeffer45
Feels like a MAGA wave taking over and washing liberalism away.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:23 pm to Venelar
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Feels like a MAGA wave taking over and washing liberalism away.
With cronyism, empty culture war politics, and governing incompetence? Again, congrats.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:24 pm to udtiger
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:24 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Since if you judge victories by how the policies actually affect people, well:
what about the legality of policies?
it's very likely that the admin distributing these funds is illegal, as none were appropriated from Congress
that's the entire argument of the Trump admin. what, exactly, do you disagree with the admin on?
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:28 pm to bonhoeffer45
Yeah....screw the Constitution and laws. What could go wrong.
*CBO is a mostly bullshite organization, imo. They'll bark out any number thats needed for an agenda. See ObamaCare*
*CBO is a mostly bullshite organization, imo. They'll bark out any number thats needed for an agenda. See ObamaCare*
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what about the legality of policies?
it's very likely that the admin distributing these funds is illegal, as none were appropriated from Congress
that's the entire argument of the Trump admin. what, exactly, do you disagree with the admin on?
Then you get behind a congressional way to fix it instead of sabotaging people's healthcare and raising costs to the taxpayer's wallet without any solution put forward. Costs that are all but baked in now because Trump chose this moment to do it.
And lets remember that for all of Trump's presidency until this date, he made the payments.
But again, congrats on the tribal victory.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:30 pm to bonhoeffer45
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instead of sabotaging people's healthcare
Obamacare IS the sabotage
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:32 pm to Dale51
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Yeah....screw the Constitution and laws. What could go wrong.
*CBO is a mostly bullshite organization, imo. They'll bark out any number thats needed for an agenda. See ObamaCare*
The math is very simple Dale.
The government is required to pay out the premium tax subsidies. That is not stopping.
The private insurers are required by law to administer the cost-sharing subsidies. The things that bring down people's out-of-pocket expenses and deductibles.
To offset those loses of being forced to pay those cost-sharing subsidies without reimbursement, the insurers are over-compensating by raising premiums to cover those costs. Raising the cost to the un-subsidized consumer and to the taxpayer. There is no magic BS, this is pretty straight forward.
* Then, to add to it, like with re-insurance and risk corridor payments, the bigger insurers are going to try and litigate and get some of those cost-sharing payments back on a case by case basis. Tying up courts, and like those battles, will probably win a few cases in certain areas. double-dipping the taxpayer, which the CBO didn't try and forecast.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 4:33 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Then you get behind a congressional way to fix it
pretty sure Trump has told Congress they need to fix it
LINK
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"While I commend the bipartisan work being done by Sens. Alexander and Murray — and I do commend it — I continue to believe Congress must find a solution to the ObamaCare mess instead of providing bailouts to insurance companies," he added.
Trump's comments on the Murray-Alexander effort comes days after the White House announced that Trump would end subsidies to insurance companies for lower-income Americans.
so you agree with Trump?
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Costs that are all but baked in now because Trump chose this moment to do it.
the payments were ruled illegal in May 2016
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Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives challenged the payments in a 2014 lawsuit. Ruling in their favor in May 2016, U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer in Washington barred the government from paying the subsidies without an appropriation but put her decision on hold for an anticipated Obama administration appeal.
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And lets remember that for all of Trump's presidency until this date, he made the payments.
a federal court just agreed that his admin should NOT have been making these payments. that's why they uphelled the EO
it's not a "tribal victory". it's a legal one
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