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re: The white racist cop was gonna shoo...oh, wait, he had a bodycam...NEVAMIND
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:24 am to StrongSafety
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:24 am to StrongSafety
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Oakland PD also has a notoriously bad reputation within that community as well. Which is all their fault
I would not want to be a police officer in the Oakland area of Alameda County and doubt if you would either. Without question some cops have exasberated the problem between the police force and certain groups. However, to say its all the cops fault leaves no room for the reasonable discourse that brings about solutions.
You cannot have a starting point the completely villainizes one side and exonerates the other.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:41 am to MMauler
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da Rev-uh-runds
Another right-winger who "doesn't see color," right?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:49 am to StrongSafety
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The fireman was wrong, but how can we scold this man for a perception based in reality.
Holy crap dude I try to ignore most of your posts but I'm taking the bait on this one. So you think it's okay for someone to completely lie and get his kids to go along with the lie because it's based in reality however anytime white people point out the abysmal facts (statistics) regarding the African American community you go off saying it's racist/stooping and that it should be ignored?!?! Dude please stop, you are no better than the retards out marching around chanting hands up don't shoot. You realize you are just doing more harm than good right?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:51 am to Holden Caulfield
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However, to say its all the cops fault leaves no room for the reasonable discourse that brings about solutions.
In this particular case, the cop had apologized to the kids and de-escalated the situation in about 1 minute and change. I think he had apologized, again, to the kids and resolved the situation, including confirming for his backup what had actually happened within about 3 minutes.
Not saying it wasn't stressful or traumatic for the kids and even the firefighter. However, to suggest this cop did ANYTHING wrong is just bereft of objective support.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:52 am to Bayou Sam
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da Rev-uh-runds
Another right-winger who "doesn't see color," right?
So, you're telling us all that you can watch these two overtly racist poverty pimps and not "see color"?
Are you really that f*cking stupid or are you just playing like you are on this board?
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:28 am to Homesick Tiger
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How about they do their job and abide by the laws?
Who, the cops or the criminals?
It's becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the two.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:09 am to MMauler
Fire fighter should lose his job and move to Ferguson, MO. He'll fit right in there.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:30 am to ALWho
Damn they blew his 10 mins of fame up. And the law suit that wAs surely gonna come. I wouldn't want to be a co worker of this guy in a life or death situation . You talk about great parenting,teach your kids how to lie about the police.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:07 am to MMauler
quote:No.
This black firefighter should be fired and brought up on charges and go to prison for filing a false police report.
Can we try to infuse some sane perspective here?
After listening to Jones's account, he shouldn't be "brought up" on anything.
Did he get it wrong? Yes, he did. However, I'm not remotely convinced he got it wrong deliberately. His perception was skewed. The trauma of being caught in that moment, with his kids present, and the unpredictability of the situation leaves his mistake understandable though.
i.e., Did he envision the officer with his hand on his holster? Almost certainly. Was the officer's hand on his holster? Possibly, possibly not. Was he concerned for his safety, and that of his kids? Unquestionably. Was he shaken over the exchange? Of course.
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As I watched Meet the Press today, a bright, even-tempered, well-spoken black Harvard Law Professor stated matter-of-factly "Michael Brown was unarmed. Michael Brown had his hands up. Yet Michael Brown was shot dead." If such seemingly even-handed black intellectuals are embracing that false narrative, it has GOT TO BE pervasive in the psyche of a guy like Firefighter Keith Jones. And pervasive not as a false narrative, but as a definite possibility.
When confronted by the police officer that night, Jones likely perceived him as a potential killer rather than public servant. That sort of confrontation is no doubt deeply unsettling.
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:11 pm to NC_Tigah
He filed a f*cking false police report trying to get this cop fired and branded a racist that would have ruined his life FOREVER.
THAT is where he stepped WAY THE F*CK over the line and why he should be fired and prosecuted.
THAT is where he stepped WAY THE F*CK over the line and why he should be fired and prosecuted.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:51 pm to MMauler
quote:Right.
He filed a f*cking false police report trying to get this cop fired and branded a racist that would have ruined his life FOREVER.
The differential question is, "did he do it deliberately?"
It is possible he did.
It is possible he didn't.
Regarding the latter, perception under stress is not reliable. It's often heavily influenced by preconception. If underlying preconception holds that white cops carelessly kill black men during mistaken encounters, and this black man WITH HIS TWO SONS is accosted unexpectedly by an armed white cop, stress is thru the roof. Preconception mixes with observation to create an individual perception which may or may not reflect reality.
That's all I'm pointing out.
That and the role MSM and/or political duplicity play in fueling such misconceptions.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:04 pm to NC_Tigah
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"did he do it deliberately?"
Oh f*cking PUHLEEZ.
Yeah, he had no idea that he was driving to police headquarters, getting out of his car, and LYING on a false police report. RIGHT!
Don't excuse gross criminal behavior.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:48 pm to real
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Damn they blew his 10 mins of fame up. And the law suit that wAs surely gonna come. I wouldn't want to be a co worker of this guy in a life or death situation . You talk about great parenting,teach your kids how to lie about the police.
Agreed, the firefighter is a POS.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:02 pm to MMauler
quote:Interesting.
Yeah, he had no idea that he was driving to police headquarters, getting out of his car, and LYING on a false police report. RIGHT!
You've done sort of the same thing.
You misunderstood the point being made, as a result you mischaracterized it.
Did you do it deliberately?
Possibly so.
But more likely you simply approached my post with presumption that it said something it didn't. You thought (perceived) it had something to do with Jones' decision to "file a false police report." It didn't. It had to do with the possibility that Jones thought he was filing an accurate report.
Preconception can lead to honest mistakes. Much like Obama perceived "police acting stupidly."
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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You've done sort of the same thing. You misunderstood the point being made, as a result you mischaracterized it.
I didn't misunderstand or mischaracterize it.
I was simply pointing out how truly f*cking ignorant your "hypothesis" is.
You're trying to excuse criminal behavior because of this a$$hole's inherent racist beliefs. And THAT is truly f*cking ignorant.
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:42 pm to MMauler
quote:No.
You're trying to excuse criminal behavior because of this a$$hole's inherent racist beliefs. And THAT is truly f*cking ignorant.
I am raising possibility of an incorrect account being based on misperception. I am saying that misperception could have been generated from a combination of preconception, stress, and anger.
I think it's great the video exists.
I don't think it establishes whether the cop was crouching with his hand on his holster, or not. It does demonstrate the cop acted appropriately. It also documents a circumstance which was undoubtedly unsettling for the dad and his kids.
Why all the venom?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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I am saying that misperception could have been generated from a combination of preconception, stress, and anger.
None of that justifies his actions.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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I am raising possibility of an incorrect account being based on misperception. I am saying that misperception could have been generated from a combination of preconception, stress, and anger.
The only thing he "misperceived" is the fact that he got CAUGHT lying and filed a false police report. PERIOD. And, he got his two kids to LIE for him.
You might be "pissed" later because the cop didn't automatically presume that you were a firefighter just looking out for the interest of the firehouse. You might also be "pissed" because you think that if you looked like an Irish Catholic the cop MIGHT have just thought that you were a firefighter right off the bat and would approached it differently.
WHAT YOU DON'T "MISPERCEIVE" is actually calling a news station out and LYING your a$$ off, getting your kids to LIE, and filing a fraudulent police report trying to ruin this man's life.
DO YOU REALLY THINK that if this racist piece of filth had known that the cop had a body camera that he would have done any of this???
That should answer your absurd "hypothesis".
Posted on 12/1/14 at 7:49 am to StrongSafety
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The fireman was wrong, but how can we scold this man for a perception based in reality. Law enforcement isn't fair to blaxks and Latinos and never has been. So it is possible that the firefighter had a perceived notion about this incident. When I got pulled over the other day, and the cops asked me if I had "guns" in the car, was that okay? Is he allowed to have a perceived conceived notion that because of my profile, that I will have x, y, and z? No it is not. But if law enforcement is going to assume the worst about a particular group, how is it possibly the groups fault for assuming the worst about them? Explain please
Black cop pulled me over at night in bad part of town. Asked me if I had any drugs in my car, and what business I had there. Made me get out, searched me, and made me stand outside in cold while he ran my I.D. - SOUND FAIR?
Oh yeah, I was coming back from the boys and girls club, where I made a check donation for a charity event I helped sponsor to keep their doors open.
Goes both ways, the dick never even apologized. He handed me my I.D. and walked away.
Explain...
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