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re: The White House has blocked the transfer of Patriot missiles to Ukraine

Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:18 pm to
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Ukraine being corrupt is not true but rather Russian propaganda?

I don't think it's anymore corrupt than any other former Eastern bloc country, and part of joining the EU was having to clean that up.

Russia could not live with the thought of Ukraine joining the EU and likely surpassing it economically, so they made sure that didn't happen in 2013
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:18 pm to
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Neither a projection nor a straw man. S

I always called the pee dossier a meritless hoax. You seem confused and argued the opposite.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
79794 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:19 pm to
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Trump and Putin are allies.

Xi's in the club, too.

The amusing thing is that you say it like that's a bad thing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:20 pm to
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and the puppet government immediately threatened Russia’s most important military infrastructure in Crimea.

Just to be clear (ignoring the framing about 2014 you used)

1. Crimea was part of Ukraine

2. Russia illegally seized all of Crimea in 2014 without incident

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Russia’s response to the threat of losing Savastapol was a completely foreseeable event and was set in motion my horrific foreign policy on the part of the Obama Administration.

*and the biggest variable: Russian interference in Ukraine's path to EU membership
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
3919 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:20 pm to
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I always called the pee dossier a meritless hoax. You seem confused and argued the opposite.


This claim is unverifiable because of your incessant posting. Which is your intent as I said previously
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:21 pm to
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This claim is unverifiable because of your incessant posting.

That's not even true.

I'll go find some proof.
Posted by olehickory1767
Member since Dec 2024
458 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:21 pm to
Similar to the Iran strategy.

I would say the Russian attack on Ukraine was much more justified than the US attack on Iran.

We had McCain and Graham celebrating the overthrow of their elected president in 2014. Not good optics.

We’ve been meddling for some time in Ukraine.
Posted by Wrex
Member since Oct 2026
79 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:22 pm to
Germany x2
Japan
Korea
Vietnam
Panama
Somalia
Iraq x2
Libya
Afghanistan
Iran

Etc..etc..etc..
This post was edited on 10/20/26 at 1:23 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:23 pm to
LINK

LINK

That took what? 2 minutes?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:24 pm to
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I would say the Russian attack on Ukraine was much more justified than the US attack on Iran.


frick all that

Iran has at least been involved in a ton of American deaths and countless deaths of our allies

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We had McCain and Graham celebrating the overthrow of their elected president in 2014. Not good optics.

The population of Ukraine led, there, organically.
Posted by Wrex
Member since Oct 2026
79 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:25 pm to
The US stuck its nose in Iran's business on the orders of Israel.

I'd frick you up as well if you traveled 15k miles from your home to frick with me when I'd done nothing to you.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5588 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:25 pm to
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Russia started the war. All blame flows back to that

Russia started it, but it was also a reactionary response to other issues.
Zelensky had also already agreed with Russia to stop targeting energy sources.

Isn’t it odd that Zelensky visited London on October 14th? Received more money and praise from the British PM and King Charles.

Neither Burnham or the King are pushing and hoping Trump retains both House and Senate
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:26 pm to
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The US stuck its nose in Iran's business on the orders of Israel.

I don't support the War in Iran, but we have 10000x the justification and provocation to attack them.

Ukraine did nothing to Russia. Ukraine ceded Crimea, even, in 2014. A war could have been fought there, but the transfer was peaceful.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:27 pm to
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, but it was also a reactionary response to other issues.

Not issues that exist in reality.

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Isn’t it odd that Zelensky visited London on October 14th? Received more money and praise from the British PM and King Charles.

If American isn't supporting Ukraine, it's not odd that he'll have to go to Europe and the UK for support.
Posted by Wrex
Member since Oct 2026
79 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:27 pm to
Name the time when Iran up and decided to frick with the US for no reason at all.

I'll wait
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
22689 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:29 pm to
Good

This has to end
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486118 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:30 pm to
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Name the time when Iran up and decided to frick with the US for no reason at all.


We can start with the Iranian regime seizing the US embassy and taking hostages for over a year.

Then there was the 1983 embassy bombing in Beirut

Then there was the 1983 marine barracks bombing in Beirut

And about 40 more years of that
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
3994 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:31 pm to
Beirut embassy, Khobar Towers, Tehran embassy, Marine barracks, shall I keep going boy wonder?
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
64703 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:31 pm to
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during ww2 we were allies with China and Russia.


Only out of necessity, we were not exactly pals with Red Russia and Red China long before WW II

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Times change and so do allies.


The Silver & Gold metaphor. You don't trade Gold for Silver. You only add silver when it is convenient in the short term.

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Real republicans that were taught history and have a functioning brain know this.


I agree, they elected IKE and Nixon, since then they have veered off course. If modern Republicans had a functioning brain they would well understand the Reds like IKE and Nixon.
Posted by olehickory1767
Member since Dec 2024
458 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:33 pm to
Iran and their proxies have done what they’ve done because they’ve been provoked IMO. American bases all around them, us launching cold- and hot-wars against them and their allies, economic sanctions, etc. Once again, America and Co. meddling in other peoples’ backyards.

Organically? Come on man - you really think that? You don’t think the CIA or any western intelligence agency played a significant role in that?

If so, I’ve got some ocean-front property to sell you!
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