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re: The US overthrew the Yukanovych government in 2014
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:03 am to DyeHardDylan
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:03 am to DyeHardDylan
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Because he wanted closer ties with Russia and shunned NATO. Victoria Nuland and others in the Obama Administration worked to support neo-Nazis in Ukraine who helped stage a coup and implement a western puppet government. This is part of why Crimea held a referendum to leave and join Russia, which the US media portrayed as a forceful annexation. Nuland is back in the White House, as is Tony Blinken and other neo-Cold War interventionist zealots. We are responsible for this mess with decades of NATO expansion and playing war games in the region
RT couldn’t have said it better itself.
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:04 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s not an excuse, it’s important context that is often ignored. All world leaders and governments are crooks, but Russia is not some rogue state that wants world domination. They want security and have pleaded for guarantees that NATO would not expand since the early 90s. It was one thing James Baker promised Gorbachev when the Soviet Union ceded control of their satellite states, yet 13 countries have been added since then and used as NATO bases. Ukraine joining NATO would virtually guarantee an American/NATO military presence at the Russian border and that is a direct threat to the Russians. The best we can hope for is that NATO countries will not escalate the conflict by getting more involved.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:05 am to Eurocat
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Her Husband was an early investor in facebook. That's his money source. Pelosi couldn't have known that facebook would turn into facebook. There were all sorts of websites back then.
He also just happened to load up on MSFT less than a week before they were awarded a $22B Pentagon contract.
If you don't think she tipped him off to buy, I bet I know where you got your shoes at.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:07 am to Eurocat
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Her Husband was an early investor in facebook. That's his money source. Pelosi couldn't have known that facebook would turn into facebook. There were all sorts of websites back then.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:10 am to DyeHardDylan
This is going to trigger both the resident board chicken-hawks & progressive Karens.
Daring to criticize the past actions of the United States in such matters means you are a Putin apologist and/or a secret admirer of Stalin who is yearning for a new Holodomor!
Daring to criticize the past actions of the United States in such matters means you are a Putin apologist and/or a secret admirer of Stalin who is yearning for a new Holodomor!
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:25 am to Eurocat
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No, Pelosi married into money. That's what marrying a Harvard MBA gets you.
You are either naive or a propagandist! Please tell me about how her husband just happened to get lucky trading stocks right before the Covid lockdown. I mean he got sooooo damn lucky. Dumping stocks that would tank in a lockdown and putting that money into companies that saw a boom in the lockdown (ie. Amazon and Zoom). Funny how it came within 24 hours of the hag having the House having a closed door briefing on what to expect with Covid!
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:28 am to DyeHardDylan
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They want security and have pleaded for guarantees that NATO would not expand since the early 90s
NATO is a defensive pact.
Russia using actual aggression to prevent a country from joining a defensive pact shows why NATO is still needed.
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Ukraine joining NATO would virtually guarantee an American/NATO military presence at the Russian border and that is a direct threat to the Russians.
And this is the lie.
Why would this threaten Russia? This isn't 1890 anymore. If we didn't get into a hot war with Russia from 1945-1990, then why would we now?
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The best we can hope for is that NATO countries will not escalate the conflict by getting more involved.
IF this happens, it's Russia's fault for invading Ukraine for no legitimate reason.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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NATO expansion is no excuse for Russia invading Ukraine.
And a corrupt oligarch rising to power in the Ukraine is no excuse for the most corrupted elements of our nation’s own national security apparatus supporting a coup in the hinterlands of Eastern Europe to install an equally corrupted regime for the sole purpose of draining the nation’s coffers with a flagrant pay-to-play scheme that involved the son of a sitting Vice President.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 8:56 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:30 am to DyeHardDylan
Eh he was definitely illegitimate and was using force to stay in power. The Ukrainian people overthrew him but we definitely helped.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:31 am to Toomer Deplorable
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And a corrupt oligarch rising to power in the Ukraine is no excuse for the most corrupted elements of our nation’s own national security apparatus supporting a coup in the hinterlands of Eastern Europe to install an equally corrupted regime for sole purpose of draining the nation’s coffers with a flagrant pay-to-play scheme that involved the son of a sitting Vice President.
Again.
That was 2014.
We let Russia violate international law and invade Ukraine to seize Crimea as a response.
That excuse holds no water in 2022. That admin is not in power and there isn't really a doubt as to the legitimacy of the current admin.
Ukraine can be the most corrupt nation on earth (it's not even the most corrupt nation in this conflict) and that's no excuse for invasion by Russia.
Russia has no legitimate reason for invasion.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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NATO is a defensive pact.
You never fail to take a knee for the talking points of the military industrial complex!
What region of the North Atlantic was NATO “defending” during the 20 year occupation of Afghanistan?
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again. That was 2014.
So freaking what? The cast of characters behind that coup are all front and center in the Biden administration and have been beating the drums of war incessantly.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 7:43 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:43 am to LuckyTiger
Agreed it is possible for both empires to be wrong in varying degrees.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:45 am to Toomer Deplorable
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What region of the North Atlantic was NATO “defending” during the 20 year occupation of Afghanistan?
They were acting via UN proxy. If you have issues with their attempt to train local security forces, support local governments, and to combat terrorism, then take it up with the UN.
The initial agreement included support from: China, Russia, and...Ukraine
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:46 am to Eurocat
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That's what marrying a Harvard MBA gets you.
A shill to the very end.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:46 am to Toomer Deplorable
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So freaking what?
Whatever perceived "threat" is long gone and has no relevance to an invasion of a sovereign nation in 2022.
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The cast of characters behind that coup are all front and center in the Biden administration and have been beating the drums of war incessantly.
Then Russia would have an argument, assuming your points to be true, to invade the US...not Ukraine
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine can be the most corrupt nation on earth (it's not even the most corrupt nation in this conflict) and that's no excuse for invasion by Russia.
Russia has no legitimate reason for invasion.
Russia can be the most corrupt nation on earth (it's not even the most corrupt nation in this conflict) and that's no excuse for the CIA supporting a coup in the Ukraine.
The United States has no legitimate reason for repeatedly meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:49 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Russia can be the most corrupt nation on earth (it's not even the most corrupt nation in this conflict) and that's no excuse for the CIA supporting a coup in the Ukraine.
Cool. The coup is irrelevant today.
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The United States has no legitimate reason for repeatedly meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations.
I'm not disagreeing.
Again, this would have given Ukraine, in 2014, the possible right to attack the US. It gave Russia no legal or moral authority to do anything.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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And this is the lie.
Why would this threaten Russia? This isn't 1890 anymore. If we didn't get into a hot war with Russia from 1945-1990, then why would we now?
Can you imagine our reaction if Mexico and the other Central American countries signed collective defense pacts with Russia? We don't even need that excuse to invade those countries and foment civil wars.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:52 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Russia can be the most corrupt nation on earth (it's not even the most corrupt nation in this conflict) and that's no excuse for the CIA supporting a coup in the Ukraine.
The United States has no legitimate reason for repeatedly meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations.
No qualms with your assessment but in this exact situation, the US has to intervene to stop one country from invading another country - no matter how genuis and savvy some people think it is, we can’t let it go unanswered
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