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re: The trope Confederates were traitors is bullshite
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:33 am to longwayfromLA
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:33 am to longwayfromLA
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Um. There were some winners, right?
Do they not still vote Democrat? How are they winners? They threw off the shackles of slavery and stepped directly into the bondage of the Democrat party.
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:35 am to Paul Maul number 37
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Once they seceded, Fort Sumter was no longer a US fort. The Confederacy did not claim ownership of any of the Northern forts that their tax dollars had helped to build before secession.
Lincoln, needed an excuse for war and forced the issue with his aggression at attempting to resupply a fort that in reality was no longer under his command. Like I said, the Confederacy had a right to defend itself.
The Confederacy sent a delegation to DC to negotiate the purchase of Federal properties in the southern states as well as negotiate the ownership of bullion in mints in New Orleans. Lincoln wouldn't negotiate because that would mean recognizing the sovereignty of the CSA. Seward tried some secret negotiations, but they didnt materialize anything meaningful. Lincoln was intent on war, and was convinced the southern populace was largely opposed to the secession.
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As to slavery, the North, in an effort to keep the South from secession even offered up an amendment to the Constitution that would have enshrined slavery forever. They could care less about slavery. They wanted their forty cents out of every dollar generated by the South to continue, no matter how much the South detested it.
The Corwin Amendement. It enshrined slavery where it existed, but allowed no expansion. The free states had no moral objections to slavery. It wasn't compatible with industrial manufacturing, and they had sold their slaves south, and made it illegal in their states.
The balance between free and slave states was a major issue for the slave states was because of the shifts in congressional power imbalance caused. If there were more free states taxes on exports were increasingly likely which would erode the slave states to little more than political colonies of the north.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:40 am to More&Les
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Yes, Slavery preceded the CSA but it was the CSA who split the union and attacked the USA in order to "Preserve" it.
Why did they have to "preserve" it? It was already legal in the US. Lincoln couldn't touch it and he stated that he would not touch it where it existed. That is the reason that the Emancipation Proclamation only covered areas in rebellion. The Confederates could have saved slavery simply by laying down their arms and rejoining the union. Hell the Union even offered an amendment to make it permanent if the South would agree not to leave the Union. Ever heard of The Ghost Amendment? It was endorsed by President Buchanan.
The South's two main issues at the time were:
1. Lincolns opposition of allowing slavery in the new territories.
2. Morrill Tariff
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:44 am to Damone
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For some reason a lot of people still cling to a romanticized narrative of traitorous slavers who fought against the US. They think it’s their cultural heritage or something. Very sad.
And for some reason a lot of people care how some southerners feel about said heritage. Very sad
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:44 am to Godfather1
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Anybody who thinks this is just going to organically end with statues is kidding themselves. It’s got to be stopped in it’s tracks...decisively.
Who??? Are you going to stop it??? Love how people put their ideas in someone else's lap
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:45 am to BugAC
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Do they not still vote Democrat? How are they winners? They threw off the shackles of slavery and stepped directly into the bondage of the Democrat party.
To be fair, they didn't start voting Democrat until the 1960s when the Democrats and their media sycophants took credit for the Civil rights they actually opposed and started labeling Republicans as racists....
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:46 am to LB84
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If the Americans would have lost the Revolution. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and etc. would have all been hanged and labeled traitors for the rest of history.
Based on the definition they were all traitors
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:54 am to BlackAdam
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The balance between free and slave states was a major issue for the slave states was because of the shifts in congressional power imbalance caused. If there were more free states taxes on exports were increasingly likely which would erode the slave states to little more than political colonies of the north.
Exactly. Think about what's going on right now with DC and/or Puerto Rico becoming states. Why are people concerned? It's because both will be blue states and wil cause an imbalance in party power.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:01 am to udtiger
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They were the epitome of the American spirit.
No. frick them, and frick the confederacy.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:01 am to More&Les
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Same shite Democrats have TDS over now, there was an election, the Democrats lost power and refused to accept the will of the American people, which apparently is just how Democrats respond to losing elections.
What in the actual frick are you babbling about?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:04 am to More&Les
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the Democrats of today are a lot like the Democrats of 1860
Posted on 6/29/20 at 2:34 pm to BugAC
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Do they not still vote Democrat? How are they winners? They threw off the shackles of slavery and stepped directly into the bondage of the Democrat party.
I doubt it since they've all been dead for hundred plus years...
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:00 pm to More&Les
Ft. Sumter lies within the mouth of the bay in Charleston, SC and was therefore, according to international law, part of the State of South Carolina. One has to remember that the federal government derives its power from the states and not the other way around. The word "state" implies the existence of a sovereign political entity. There is a reason they are called states and not provinces.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:47 pm to More&Les
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Are you fricking retarded, the Confederates attack the U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter.
That was the fouteenth military bases the South attacked. That one was the final straw.
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