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The trope Confederates were traitors is bullshite

Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:54 am
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:54 am
Secession was (and is) the most AMERICAN action there is.

In 1776, after decades of real (and perceived) abuse at the hands of THEIR GOVERNMENT and THEIR FELLOW ENGLISHMEN, the American colonists threw up their middle finger, said frick THIS, and withdrew from what had been their nation (and from their government) and, unlitmately fought for their inherent AND CONSTITUTIONAL right of self-determination.

They were not traitors. They were the epitome of the American spirit.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:56 am to

And CHAZ carries on that spirit.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:58 am to
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And CHAZ carries on that spirit.


CHAZ doesn't bother me for just this reason.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:59 am to
They don't know any better its what omegle tells them in 20-second vids.

This is public education today.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:02 am to
losers is a better term
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:06 am to
Me either.

CHAZ shows how damn hard it is to pull off.

In fact it causes me to be more in awe of what the south did.

To actually organize a government, field a potent army, and have some success against a much more powerful country for almost 5 years with no outside help is damned impressive.

That took an incredible amount of talent, skill, and guile.


ETA: The Japanese followed a similar path and just like the U.S. allowed the South to retain many components of it's culture (up until the present),
it allowed the Japanese to retain major parts of it's culture.

Imagine if we went to Japan and started tearing down art and cultural exhibits like we are doing to the south right now.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 4:04 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108247 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:08 am to
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They were not traitors. They were the epitome of the American spirit.



Yeah, seceding in order to have slaves. That's the American Spirit I want to remember.
Posted by Esquire
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:11 am to
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They were not traitors


Much like 1776, you have to win for this to be true.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:14 am to
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In 1776, after decades of real (and perceived) abuse at the hands of THEIR GOVERNMENT and THEIR FELLOW ENGLISHMEN, the American colonists threw up their middle finger, said frick THIS, and withdrew from what had been their nation (and from their government) and, unlitmately fought for their inherent AND CONSTITUTIONAL right of self-determination.


This is quite different than a collection of Democrats forming their own Government because they disagreed with the results of a fair and free election, and to preserve their (slavery) way of economic prominence.

They then, in fact, attacked a federal military base and literally started the Civil war.

Yes, it was fricking treason.
Posted by The Levee
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:15 am to
Sorry dude, they were technically traitors.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:16 am to
What definition of traitor are you using?
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Sorry dude, they were technically traitors.



Not technically, they were fricking traitors
Posted by Damone
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:17 am to
I prefer surrendering losers. It’s not just that they lost, it’s that they lost so bad they had to quit and beg the US to stop beating them.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:18 am to
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losers is a better term


Lol coming from an ambulance chaser
Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8853 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:18 am to
How many fricking threads about the civil war every day

Get over it
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:20 am to
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Sorry dude, they were technically traitors.


Meh

A traitor tries to destroy his country on behalf of an enemy

The south basically said, "you do you and I'll do me"

I mean. Their reasons webbed m weren't exactly noble. But they were content to let the north be the north
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:21 am to
quote:

Much like 1776, you have to win for this to be true.



That's what I always say.

Secession is legal and heroic as long you win your war.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:23 am to
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Causes of secession

Cornerstone Speech

The new [Confederate] Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted.
The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Alexander H. Stephens, speech to The Savannah Theatre. (March 21, 1861)

The immediate catalyst for secession was the victory of the Republican Party and the election of Abraham Lincoln as president in the 1860 elections. American Civil War historian James M. McPherson suggested that, for Southerners, the most ominous feature of the Republican victories in the congressional and presidential elections of 1860 was the magnitude of those victories: Republicans captured over 60 percent of the Northern vote and three-fourths of its Congressional delegations. The Southern press said that such Republicans represented the anti-slavery portion of the North, "a party founded on the single sentiment ... of hatred of African slavery", and now the controlling power in national affairs. The "Black Republican party" could overwhelm conservative Yankees. The New Orleans Delta said of the Republicans, "It is in fact, essentially, a revolutionary party" to overthrow slavery.[34]

Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72615 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:27 am to
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Yeah, seceding in order to have slaves.


yep that was the only reason.

and the south never offered to give up slavery in 1864 as long as they could secede.

hey slavery is still going on in africa get your libtard arse over there and help stop those muzzies!



Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13495 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:28 am to
Member when the “Patriots” were all for history revision and obliteration of the CSA statues because of “muh-rebell scum”?

Now they are clutching their pearls and sputtering because Jackson, Columbus, Jefferson, Washington, etc are targeted. The WW2 and Lincoln Memorials defaced? OMG! How can this be?

This is the natural result of driving down Libtard Lane.

Hint: After the next left turn is murder of those who remember history.
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