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re: The Storm Is Coming.

Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:16 pm to
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These heretics think the 12,000 from each tribe are NOT actual Israelites.

Or maybe we’re just tired of them starting wars with everyone around them for our entire lives and openly boasting about their ability to control our domestic politics?

I have zero against Israel, I wish them peace and prosperity.

I just want them to not be the preeminent focus that somehow has to be supported before our own domestic issues because their national interests are not our own.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 9:46 pm
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:17 pm to
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These heretics


Which Bible are you referencing? You prots have so many interpretations it’s hard to keep up.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:18 pm to
You don’t think any of their national interests and our national interests can’t and don’t intersect at any point, even just generally speaking?
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14502 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:19 pm to
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Not necessarily. Nor do I necessarily care. Nor does that point convince me of anything one way or another anyway. I mean hell, a decent handful of folks amongst us are crowing and boasting that Iran has defeated the U.S. without even having a military to speak of.


You are right to be skeptical of idiots boasting about Iran’s capabilities. Turkey is on a whole nother level. Israel would get fricked without US intervention.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14502 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:20 pm to
They can. Give me some of your favorites and how Israel has helped us out?
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23496 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:27 pm to
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You don’t think any of their national interests and our national interests can’t and don’t intersect at any point, even just generally speaking?

Perhaps occasionally but by and large what they want is not necessarily in our national interest so no I don’t view them as a key allied power whatsoever in a general sense.

They openly and clearly want to be a regional hegemon in the Middle East. We are currently the regional hegemon so that can only come at our expense.

They are openly expansionist. Because that would come at the expense of much more important allies and trade partners like Saudi Arabia and Jordan therefore I oppose it along with the wars and economic unrest it would trigger.

They openly interfere in our domestic politics to a degree unprecedented in our national history and yet many in this thread cheer them on.

Can anyone explain why they think it’s ok for them to influence our primaries and political races via direct and indirect lobbying and donations? How does that benefit America or American voters?
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 10:12 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36908 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:28 pm to
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They can. Give me some of your favorites and how Israel has helped us out?

My “favorites?” I don’t know about all that, but for example (not that this question hasn’t been asked and answered countless times now), how about the one(s) immediately in front of us? Iran and its significant nefarious intentions towards both countries, and of course their capabilities to effectuate said ill intentions (capabilities both present and future). And obviously related, the free and unrestricted flow of world commerce through the area, which affects everyone.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14502 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:37 pm to
Iran presents some problems yes. But prior to this war none of them were ours. The straight was open. Yes Iran doesn’t like us but there was no immediate threat. Iran conflict benefits Israel/US probably 80/20.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19638 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:40 pm to
Woof. She lost the Ozempic pen.
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:42 pm to
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Israel’s technological advantage over non-conventional forces or small poor neighbors doesn’t translate to Turkey, who plays with real NATO quality toys and money.


True. Turkey does not own any nukes but have about 20 US nuclear warheads on their premises.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36908 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:44 pm to
Turkey would be able to use those weapons against Israel? That’s what you’re suggesting? Surely not.
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
13306 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:46 pm to
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Turkey would be able to use those weapons against Israel? That’s what you’re suggesting? Surely not.


No. Saying Israel doesn’t want a piece of Turkey.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85721 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:52 pm to
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Basic knowledge of Turkish military expansion and procurement for the last couple of decades.

Israel’s technological advantage over non-conventional forces or small poor neighbors doesn’t translate to Turkey, who plays with real NATO quality toys and money.


Taking away Article 5 requiring US intervention, and remembering the weird coup/fake coup in Turkey a few years back, I wonder if Mossad could neutralize some of the numerical and qualitative advantages of the Turks early on to give the Israelis a chance.

I’d rather neither actually fight, but I get this strange feeling Turkey is a paper tiger on an executional level.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 8:53 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36908 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:59 pm to
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but I get this strange feeling Turkey is a paper tiger on an executional level.

Yet you aren’t sure Israel even has “a chance?” This is a weird hill for some amongst us to be willing to die on.

Question to the above referenced people: If Turkey were to very hypothetically be right on the cusp of “overtaking” Israel (in a war that could be fought in both countries, geographically speaking), what could Israel do as a “last line of defense” to save itself? And does that correspond with, as one poster put it, “smoking Israel?”
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36908 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:01 pm to
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No. Saying Israel doesn’t want a piece of Turkey.

Understood. I just believe it’s the other way around.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60780 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:20 pm to
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Stop watching podcasters. One day you’ll realize the grift.
this is all you people can say anymore lol. You don’t have any actual rebuttal or defense, just muh Tucker and huh Fuentes.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37466 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:21 pm to
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I’d rather neither actually fight, but I get this strange feeling Turkey is a paper tiger on an executional level.


All of the west and central Asian, middle eastern, and North Africa countries are paper tigers. The Muslim hordes haven’t been effective militarily against the West in like 5 centuries.

But. It’s still relative. The IDF has mastered things like the Iron Dome or David’s Sling etc which are specific to the threats against Israel. But the IDF’s ordinary ground or Air Forces aren’t some level above peers like Turkey or Egypt. Israel relies heavily on conscripts, and much of their hardware like the Merkava is designed for fighting the Palestinians. Not peers that also have fifth generation tanks and the same American hardware/planes.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102898 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:21 pm to
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Bunk, you are very lucky the god of the Old Testament tamed out a bit, because you are approaching pharaoh level hatred of the Chosen. Recall what happened to Egyptian Firstborn and Egyptian crops.


Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36908 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:22 pm to
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is all you people can say anymore lol. You don’t have any actual rebuttal or defense, just muh Tucker and huh Fuentes.

Self-awareness is not your strong suit.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36908 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:24 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 9:26 pm
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