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"The Senselessness of World War I, from Beginning to End"--Cato
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:17 pm
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I agree 100%
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Indeed World War I was a catastrophe, a foolish and unnecessary war, a war of European potentates that both England and the United States could have stayed out of but that became indeed a World War, the Great War. In our own country the war gave us economic planning, conscription, nationalization of the railroads, a sedition act, confiscatory income tax rates, and prohibition. Internationally World War I and its conclusion led directly to the Bolshevik revolution, the rise of National Socialism, World War II, and the Cold War.
On this weekend as we celebrate the end of this tragedy we should mourn those who went to war, and we should resolve not to risk American lives in the future except when our vital national interests are at stake.
I agree 100%
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:18 pm to I B Freeman
All would have been avoided if tariffs were in place.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:20 pm to I B Freeman
If Europe ever gets itself into a mess again we should point and laugh from the sidelines. Europe has forfeit s their right to be saved by American serviceman again.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:21 pm to Cromulent
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All would have been avoided if a nuclear bomb was on the table as retaliation.
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:21 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:21 pm to I B Freeman
Would have been better if Germany had won in a swift strike like was intended in the schlieffen plan
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:21 pm to I B Freeman
No shite. Millions of people died and it unleashed all of the bad shite of the 20th century
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:26 pm to I B Freeman
I guess Archduke Franz Ferdinand was imposing too many tariffs.
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This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:28 pm to I B Freeman
quote:Isn't that a near universal retrospective on war?
Indeed World War I was a catastrophe, a foolish and unnecessary war,
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:30 pm to NC_Tigah
Obviously we did not learn our lesson concerning interventionism.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:35 pm to I B Freeman
World War I had one major positive effect on the world: the destruction of the Ottoman Empire.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:42 pm to I B Freeman
I agree, WWI would’ve been better had the Germans won quickly via Schlieffen Plan.
But had we not tossed our hats in, the war could’ve gone on for another year or possibly two. However, we had a fiscal responsibility to ensure that the allied powers won because we had bankrolled their war machines.
We should’ve heeded Washington’s words though:
But had we not tossed our hats in, the war could’ve gone on for another year or possibly two. However, we had a fiscal responsibility to ensure that the allied powers won because we had bankrolled their war machines.
We should’ve heeded Washington’s words though:
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The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.
Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:44 pm to I B Freeman
quote:WWI would probably not be the best example of that premise. Arguably WWII would be. Especially if you believe, as do I, FDR knew of Japanese plans to attack the US and intentionally goaded them to do it. Korea and Vietnam are the obvious prototypes.
Obviously we did not learn our lesson concerning interventionism.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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Arguably WWII would be. Especially if you believe, as do I, FDR knew of Japanese plans to attack the US and intentionally goaded them to do it. Korea and Vietnam are the obvious prototypes.
Yeah, but at least we wanted to win WWII, not play around in freezing arse North Korea or miserable Vietnam.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:46 pm to I B Freeman
The war was anything but senseless, the French had been the continents heavy weight for centuries, and their foreign policy had been focused on keeping Germany weak and divided.
The rise of a united and powerful Germany upended their world. They could not, and would not accept German domination without a fight.
British involvement was less inevitable, but Germany’s efforts to develop a blue water fleet was destabilizing.
The rise of a united and powerful Germany upended their world. They could not, and would not accept German domination without a fight.
British involvement was less inevitable, but Germany’s efforts to develop a blue water fleet was destabilizing.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:50 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
The Germans might still have won if we stayed out.
You don’t get WW2 if that happens.
You don’t get WW2 if that happens.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:52 pm to NC_Tigah
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Indeed World War I was a catastrophe, a foolish and unnecessary war,
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Isn't that a near universal retrospective on war?
Do you feel that way about the Revolution?
War is often necessary, important even.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:02 pm to fr33manator
Why?
How would the dominoes have fallen then for 20 years?
How would the dominoes have fallen then for 20 years?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:04 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Germans might still have won if we stayed out.
Idk about that, I don’t think anybody would’ve “won” in that sense of the word. It would’ve been a negotiated peace if anything and WWII, possibly happens sooner. Also, Britain and France were still pulling from their colonies in 1918, the Germans had no colonies whatsoever and were starving as a people. Britain effectively put the entire country under siege and they felt it in 1917&18.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:05 pm to I B Freeman
Its pure naivety to assume the UK and the USA would sit by and let principle economic partners (present or future partners) enter into a war. Also to take into consideration the economic benefits awarded to the winner. Which if anyone was a winner of WWI it was the USA.
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