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re: The Senate worked late tonight to get in a vote that will repeal the ACA.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I disagree
The WoT hadn't started when Bush took office. Neither had Afghanistan or Iraq (obviously). He had a chance to forestall all 3, and did not.
Obama had no such chance.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No. That addresses the latter complaint you made.
Right, you really said nothing in regards to foreign policy save for this. So all this talk over words you never put down?! And you still won't admit Iraq was on Bush?
Weird night.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:06 pm to BamaAtl
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The WoT hadn't started when Bush took office.
Yes it had, it just hadn't been given a name.
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Obama had no such chance.
Does that excuse his decisions that completely ran the region into the ground?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:08 pm to BamaAtl
So you concede the recession doesn't fall solely on Bush?
Fantastic progress!
I have. Numerous times.
Fantastic progress!
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And you still won't admit Iraq was on Bush?
I have. Numerous times.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:09 pm to BamaAtl
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Unaffordable health insurance
That's what Obamacare is. People with real jobs can't shell out a mortgage payment for a premium and then a deductible that's close to a new car.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
The WoT hadn't started when Bush took office.
Yes it had, it just hadn't been given a name.
Hence, no War on Terror. Just some isolated terrorist attacks, which had been happening forever (Beirut ring a bell?)
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Does that excuse his decisions that completely ran the region into the ground?
He made what he thought was the best of all bad options. As I said, you are looking for something to whine about, so you'd whine about whichever option he chose.
In the context of debt, the money spent in Iraq was not Obama's choice to spend. He was committed by actions taken by his predecessor. Bush was in no such situation - he chose his wars.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:11 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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That's what Obamacare is. People with real jobs can't shell out a mortgage payment for a premium and then a deductible that's close to a new car.
Premiums are increasing at the slowest pace in decades. More people with insurance say that they are able to see their doctor, not that cost keeps them away.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:17 pm to BamaAtl
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I agree, he should have raised taxes on the rich.
More stealing is not the answer, less spending is
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:19 pm to BamaAtl
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Hence, no War on Terror.
A WoT without a name. We were already conducting the same operations in the same regions.
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He made what he thought was the best of all bad options.
That's fine. That doesn't make him any less wrong.
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Bush was in no such situation
False. He inherited plenty of debt and military spending. Clinton was spending $1.4 billion a year to bomb Iraq. Those and other actions were the result of Clinton policies that kept us inserted in the region.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:20 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:22 pm to BamaAtl
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Premiums are increasing at the slowest pace in decades.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:23 pm to BamaAtl
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More people with insurance say that they are able to see their doctor, not that cost keeps them away.
Is that why more people forgo health care due to cost now than pre-ACA?
Even worse considering 2009 was "the worst economy since the Depression". Yet healthcare was STILL more affordable back then.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:09 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Nope. Most of the redirects to Medicaid were already eligible. It's like you have no clue...
You're neglecting those who will lose access to Medicaid when the expansion is eliminated
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:09 pm to BamaAtl
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Prices have increased at a slower pace than they would have without the ACA.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:11 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Meh, it was good enough when passing it...
Nobody knows, and nobody will know until the full text of a replacement bill is available.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:50 am to bee Rye
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More stealing is not the answer, less spending is
Or we can go the Republican route and lower taxes while spending more.
That always seems to work, right?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:52 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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He inherited plenty of debt and military spending.
Bush inherited a surplus.
And we're not discussing right or wrong, we're discussing your incorrect view that Obama had a choice to never spend a dime in Iraq/Afghanistan. Given that he didn't, it's beyond foolish to claim that the spending for those wars is a blemish on his administration.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:52 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Bestbank Tiger
Look at the whole, not the parts. In the whole, my statement is correct.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:53 am to BamaAtl
Take this shite out of this thread about REAPEAL!
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:53 am to BamaAtl
quote:Thanks Newt.
Bush inherited a surplus.
quote:He ran on how Bush was running up the debt funding these needless wars on a credit card covered by China.
we're discussing your incorrect view that Obama had a choice to never spend a dime in Iraq/Afghanistan.
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