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re: The Senate worked late tonight to get in a vote that will repeal the ACA.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:00 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:00 pm to BamaAtl
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The best advice you can give an oncology patient, or someone with a chronic condition, who hits the lifetime cap...
Emotional arguments won't work on me.
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Which is it?
Neither. It's exactly what I said.
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Walk that one back and we can talk.
No.
Address the other issues. Then we can talk about the Iraq War. I'll also accept your capitulation that I was correct on everything else. Your choice.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Emotional arguments won't work on me.
They're not emotional arguments, they're reality. If you repeal the ACA without a replacement, you throw people who need care but will lose insurance to the wolves.
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No.
Bush's Iraq war is that sticky for you? Ouch.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:13 pm to the808bass
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the808bass
Lol reality, right?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:18 pm to BamaAtl
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They're not emotional arguments
They are.
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without a replacement
Link to where I advocated that.
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Bush's Iraq war is that sticky for you?
I'm happy to discuss the Iraq War and Clinton's blame, but I won't allow you to duck the rest. Address the rest or capitulate, and we'll move on.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm happy to discuss the Iraq War and Clinton's blame, but I won't allow you to duck the rest
First, you have to admit that our war of choice in Iraq was Bush's mistake.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:45 pm to BamaAtl
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First, you have to admit that our war of choice in Iraq was Bush's mistake.
No. Address Clinton's failures first. You brought the Iraq War into this as a deflection. We can discuss it once everything else has been sufficiently addressed.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:54 pm to BamaAtl
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Lol reality, right?
According to my projections, you are twice as stupid as you would've been if you'd gone to ITT tech.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Address Clinton's failures first
No, Iraq first. It was brought up first, you only invoked Clinton foreign policy concerns when you were unable to admit Bush was the sole responsible party for that war.
Go on, it's okay to admit you were wrong.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:29 pm to BamaAtl
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It was brought up first
You tried to push Obama's problems to Bush using the Iraq War. I showed the same from Bush to Clinton.
Address Clinton's failures.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You tried to push Obama's problems to Bush using the Iraq War.
Not his problems, his debt.
You know, a thing that verifiably he was saddled with due to Bush.
Admit Bush started the war of his own choice, and we can start. Whenever you're ready.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:35 pm to BamaAtl
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Not his problems, his debt.
Wrong. You've been whining about more than debt.
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You know, a thing that verifiably he was saddled with due to Bush.
Wrong again. Look to Clinton for that.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:42 pm to BamaAtl
How is your place of work affected by ACA repeal?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:48 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Cleaning up Bush's wars and recession aren't really things Obama could control.
Someone had to clean up the previous 8 years of Clinton's failed foreign policy and general incompetence.
This, right here, is where you equate the Iraq war to Clinton's foreign policy, rather than Bush's mistake.
Correct yourself whenever you're ready.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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How is your place of work affected by ACA repeal?
Nobody knows, and nobody will know until the full text of a replacement bill is available.
At the moment, the repeal option fricks every single hospital in the country. Part of the ACA involved lowering the CMS reimbursement rate in order to lower costs, but justifying it by saying that the uninsured payor numbers would be down (which has largely proven true, though not as well in rural areas in states that did not expand Medicaid, like GA).
At the moment, the repeal bill would kick >20M people off of their insurance, pushing them back into the ranks of those unable to pay for care, but would keep the reimbursement reduction (because that's how they keep it revenue-neutral and eligible for reconciliation while also removing the tax on millionaires).
Also depends how MACRA gets tied into repeal in its various parts, ACOs etc. We've spent a ton of money in the last few years retooling to meet all of the specific requirements, I can't imagine anyone's going to be thrilled about Republicans wasting that effort and money for no reason.
But people will still be sick, we'll still be a quaternary care academic medical center, and we'll still strive to provide our patients with quality care at a reasonable cost.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:58 pm to BamaAtl
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This, right here, is where you equate the Iraq war to Clinton's foreign policy, rather than Bush's mistake.
Incorrect.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:59 pm to Evolved Simian
Is this the same legislation thing that is going to raise the deficit 10 trillion more over 10 years? I read that only 13 republicans voted against it. So much for true conservatism. Makes me sick.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's almost like Bill Clinton signed more financial deregulation legislation that any other president in history. It's almost like Bill Clinton destroyed American manufacturing with bogus trade agreements. It's almost like Bill Clinton expanded an already ineffective and wasteful war on drugs, domestically and internationally.
This what you're shooting for? Saying that the war on drugs was the proximate cause for the WoT?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:00 pm to Evolved Simian
shite, there goes my gender reassignment.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:02 pm to BamaAtl
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You didn't really enumerate why you believe the WoT or Afghanistan are Clinton's fault, rather than some combination of Bush's and Clinton's or Bush's alone.
Nope. I'm still trying to get you up to speed on what I did say.
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However, in the context of the discussion, we can all clearly agree that the costs of the WoT and Afghanistan AND Iraq aren't really Obama's debt - he was already committed to them through other's actions when he took office. Given that, there was no Afghanistan war or WoT when Bush took office - they both began on his watch.
I disagree. As I've said numerous times, it's been a collective failure.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:03 pm to BamaAtl
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This what you're shooting for? Saying that the war on drugs was the proximate cause for the WoT?
No. That addresses the latter complaint you made.
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