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The Regulations—and Regulators—That Delayed Coronavirus Testing

Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:26 am
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73439 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:26 am
Very good article on the timeline of mistakes.

Unfortunately, the United States has not made testing widely available and now various regions are being forced to impose severe economic and social lockdowns. As of March 17, the U.S. had tested only about 125 people per million. South Korea had tested more than 5,000 people per million. Between early February and mid-March, the U.S. lost six crucial weeks because regulators stuck to rigid regulations instead of adapting as new information came in. While these rules might have made sense in normal times, they proved disastrous in a pandemic.

Under ordinary circumstances, the cost of using an imperfect diagnostic test often outweighs the benefit. But when public health officials need to contain a novel and highly contagious disease, speed matters more than perfection. The lessons from this debacle are clear: The FDA needs to have plans in place prior to a pandemic for public labs and private companies to produce their own test kits. A distributed strategy would be much more resilient to errors, in contrast to the single point of failure created by the FDA in this crisis. Poor planning and mindless adherence to peacetime regulations led to this abysmal result:

How did the U.S. government only manage to produce a fraction as many testing kits as its peer countries? There have been three major regulatory barriers so far to scaling up testing by public labs and private companies: 1) obtaining an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA); 2) being certified to perform high-complexity testing consistent with requirements under Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA); and 3) complying with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule and the Common Rule related to the protection of human research subjects. On the demand side, narrow restrictions on who qualified for testing prevented the U.S. from adequately using what capacity it did have. LINK
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:28 am to
So basically, we fricked ourselves with rules...?
Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
14411 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:29 am to
Yes
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73439 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:30 am to
quote:

So basically, we fricked ourselves with rules...?
Pretty much and poor regulators.
Posted by philter
Member since Dec 2004
8966 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:30 am to
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So basically, we fricked ourselves with rules...?



The earmark of a government too big for itself.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30612 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:32 am to
Why is this not surprising.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:33 am to
quote:

Why is this not surprising.


It really isn't if anyone has ever dealt with Fed Gov on anything...

I do not know of a single thing it does well, on time, and within budget but we have 50% of this population that wants it to control every aspect of their lives...
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73439 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:36 am to
This was the moment when the wheels came off the bus. Keith Jerome, the lab director at the University of Washington Virology Lab in Seattle, told The New Yorker how perverse this heightened standard was from a public health perspective:

From the point of view of the academic labs, we look at it, like, when there’s any run-of-the-mill virus that people are used to, they trust us to make a test. But when there’s a big emergency and we feel like we should really do something, it gets hard. It’s a little frustrating. We’ve got a lot of scientists and doctors and laboratory personnel who are incredibly good at making assays. What we’re not so good at is figuring out all the forms and working with the bureaucracy of the federal government.

After emailing his application to the FDA, Greninger discovered that it was incomplete. It turned out that in addition to electronically filing it, he also had to print it out and mail a physical copy along with a copy burned onto a CD or saved to a thumb drive. That package had to be shipped off to FDA headquarters in Maryland. It was a strange and onerous requirement in 2020, but Greninger complied. He had no choice. On February 20, he overnighted the hard copies of his application to the FDA.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89516 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:40 am to
quote:

So basically, we fricked ourselves with rules...?


We've nearly always done this, meaning fought with 1 arm tied back or shooting ourselves in the foot, just to keep it fair - this is in trade wars, diplomacy and real shooting wars.

About the only real exceptions were:

1. Wars against the Plains Indians

2. Sherman in Georgia/Sheridan in the Shenandoah

3. The Pacific Theater
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23698 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:45 am to
Excellent article and post.

About two weeks ago the prior restrictive testing criteria was resulting in denial of testing requests for pretty much all community contracted infections outside of New Orleans. There were patients in at least one Baton Rouge hospital in severe respiratory distress for whom testing requests were denied because they had not traveled abroad, been in known contact with someone who traveled abroad and had not been in known contact with traveled abroad and had not been in known contact with someone who was confirmed positive from a prior test. Because state testing requests were being denied, the hospital started sending samples to Mayo Clinic for testing.

Ten days ago I was involved in a meeting which included a staff physician of the hospital and two attorneys, where the physician was concerned about standards of care and the increased logistical problem of using Mayo as opposed to the state testing. I posted an abridged statement of the issue on the Poli Board and was called a liar, based upon the fact that the LDH website did not list any "confirmed cases" in Baton Rouge at the time. Of course, the "confirmed cases" number runs 5 to 7 days behind reality anyway because of the testing turnaround. Mayo was running 7 days. Also, under the restrictive criteria, almost no one was being tested.

The following Monday (after I started a week time out for "shameful flaming"), they relaxed the testing criteria and allowed for testing by drive-through, etc. The result has been significantly more data, which can allow for better outcome analysis.

But there is a real lesson in response protocol here. In my opinion we have to formulate response and treatment based upon data, not "feelings" or "beliefs." Information is currently being shared by medical professionals at a very rapid pace, which should lead to better outcomes. This isn't political.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101390 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:45 am to
quote:

About the only real exceptions were:

1. Wars against the Plains Indians

2. Sherman in Georgia/Sheridan in the Shenandoah

3. The Pacific Theater


Second Industrial Revolution from the late 19th to early 20th century, which one could argue had a somewhat brief resurgence post WWII before more hamstringing set in.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42578 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:48 am to
quote:

So basically, we fricked ourselves with rules...?


If only we there had been a few more sub-committees in congress and another dozen brain-trusts with peer-reviewed papers to study.

we cudda been winners.
Posted by Ex-Popcorn
Member since Nov 2005
2128 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:51 am to
quote:

the United States has not made testing widely available and now various regions are being forced to impose severe economic and social lockdowns.


This is illogical but sounds pretty. The author (and libs everywhere) want you to believe that the lack of testing caused the economic collapse and social lockdowns. This is not cause and effect.

We could have had millions of available tests in every state and we would still be in the same position...social lockdown. The fallacy of the argument lies in the nature of the virus:

1) Some percentage (up to 50% reported) of inflicted individuals never show a symptom.

2) Even those who ultimately show symptoms were asymptomatic for 2-14 days.

The people in category 1 would never go get tested. The people in category 2 would not get tested until after they develop symptoms...meaning they were shedding the virus potentially for a week or more before quarantine.

Testing provides only data points. It does nothing about the virus or spread. Once the virus was in America, social distancing and lockdown were inevitable.

But that fact does not help the Ds attack trump. They need to be able to point to something he did wrong that has led to the general public's misery. It's dirty and dangerous.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 9:54 am
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:46 pm to
Wow
Posted by Thunder
Western by God Vernon Parish
Member since Mar 2006
2421 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

So basically, we fricked ourselves with rules...?

Rules were made to be broken baby!
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:55 pm to
I heard a private lab in Seattle begin testing early on during the Kirkland breakout but were shutdown by the FDA.

Cannot find link but Dennis Prager talked about it on his show.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48337 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:15 pm to
FedGov has evolved over the many decades. It's core function is no longer to do what the job description says. Today, people in FedGov believe that is core function is to grow and create more job and promotion opportunities for "Woke" people. Nothing is more important than that in FedGov today.

With TRUMP we have chance to change that. However, Dems would rather crash and destroy the US economy rather than give Trump another term in office.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22777 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:30 pm to
BS

Testing doesn't cure anyone. False positives would have elevated the hysteria. You think the over reaction was bad? I can only imagine what it would have been!!!
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