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re: The real reason HCQ, ivermectin and any other early treatment for COVID was demonized.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:20 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:20 pm to BamaAtl
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All covid-19 vaccines passed their phase-3 trials. What's your confusion here?
Available vaccines are still under emergency use authorization.
Ivermectin is not.
Why not just make ivermectin easily available? I mean if it doesn't work you can still crow about the all mighty Trump vaccine. If it does then great.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:24 pm to BamaAtl
what peer reviewed studies prove the vax works?
Just curious
Just curious
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:25 pm to BamaAtl
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...because they don't work.
Neither did the "vaccine".
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:26 pm to BamaAtl
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For preventing infection, yes.
For preventing severe infection (incl. death), very useful still.
Care to share the peer reviewed studies on these to prove your point??
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:26 pm to GumboPot
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I mean if it doesn't work
Because in the minds of these paranoid nutjobs, the slightest success destroys their entire narrative, therefore they HAVE to be on the side of evil and destruction.
Truth and freedom to the Left are like a crucifix to a vampire...
OK, that was a bad analogy because the Left have an adverse reaction to the cross as well....
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:30 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Which are more effective, these products of the jab?
The vaccine is much more effective at preventing severe outcomes.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:31 pm to BamaAtl
All these studies are flawed. Ivermectin will provide partial benefits as an anti-viral. It's mechanism is to bind ACE2 to keep the virus from getting past the cell membrane. It doesn't work all the time.
But in combination with other anti-virals it can help. Add HCQ to the mix then you can cut off RNA polymerase for a period of time plus binding ACE2 with ivermectin.
Add famotidine then you and inhibit viral protein assimilation.
The cocktail effectiveness depends on viral load. If you have a low viral load you may only need one medication to fight the virus and allow your own immune system to catch up and take over. Some people may need all of these anti-virals plus monoclonals (which are an actual cure).
It all depends on your virial load.
This is why I remain befuddled about the establishment's non-approach to early treatment when the viral load is low.
All the establishment preached was:
Mask
Social distancing, and
Vaccine.
No early treatment.
But in combination with other anti-virals it can help. Add HCQ to the mix then you can cut off RNA polymerase for a period of time plus binding ACE2 with ivermectin.
Add famotidine then you and inhibit viral protein assimilation.
The cocktail effectiveness depends on viral load. If you have a low viral load you may only need one medication to fight the virus and allow your own immune system to catch up and take over. Some people may need all of these anti-virals plus monoclonals (which are an actual cure).
It all depends on your virial load.
This is why I remain befuddled about the establishment's non-approach to early treatment when the viral load is low.
All the establishment preached was:
Mask
Social distancing, and
Vaccine.
No early treatment.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:32 pm to BamaAtl
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The vaccine is much more effective at preventing severe outcomes.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:35 pm to BamaAtl
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The vaccine is much more effective at preventing severe outcomes.
So, like most people with or without the vaccine.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:36 pm to oogabooga68
The people doing those studies got it wrong time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time vtime after time after time after time after time vtime after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time time after time after time after time after time vtime after time after time after time after time v.............................................
just like COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM
just like COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:37 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:40 pm to BamaAtl
Then why did your Masters insist on shutting down debate about the effectiveness of Ivermectin?
It is an incredibly safe drug.
Why were you idiots so MILITANT about even DISCUSSING an incredibly safe medication and feel the need to vilify anyone who strayed from the Plantation?
It is an incredibly safe drug.
Why were you idiots so MILITANT about even DISCUSSING an incredibly safe medication and feel the need to vilify anyone who strayed from the Plantation?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:42 pm to BamaAtl
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You may want to read the update, in which they had to remove 2 studies of suspect quality and their new results showed no effect.
Are you sure that is what it says? Here are some excerpts...
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The overall point estimates of mortality risk ratio vary from 0.51 (all studies) to 0.65 (Elgazzar excluded) to 0.75 (both Elgazzar and Niaee excluded). Only in the last case do orthodox 95% confidence intervals stray above unity, and by a very small amount. Above 95% CIs in Figures 2 and 3 are 0.96 and 1.03, respectively, in practical terms a minor difference. It is obvious that removal of study data will decrease the overall statistical power of any meta-analysis. However, even when significantly diluted by exclusion of disputed trials, meta-analysis continues to show an improved mortality outcome. Moreover, additional data from the later trials are broadly consistent with the original findings.
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Subsequent to our article,3 Neil and Fenton16 confirmed by Bayesian hypothesis testing robust evidence of a mortality advantage under treatments including ivermectin. Their sensitivity analysis covered the exclusion of Elgazzar,5 the Niaee7 trial having been already disregarded, not on grounds of reliability, but simply because mortalities were not, at that time, reported7 by disease severity. Severity being a key component of the hypothesis of Neil and Fenton,16 data not stratified by severity were of no value. They showed explicitly that the removal of the disputed study5 (Niaee7 excluded by design) simply reduced the probability of a favorable risk reduction to around 0.77 or odds of 77:23 that ivermectin treatment offers a mortality benefit. Even under this significant reduction in participants, the conclusion of mortality benefit continued to hold.16
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:48 pm to GumboPot
Fauci had the info from both Wuhan and India on what drug protocols they were using. HCQ and Ivermectin were ones mentioned but never revealed fully.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:51 pm to honeybadger07
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what peer reviewed studies prove the vax works?
N Engl J Med 2021; 384:403-416
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:52 pm to OBReb6
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OBReb6
That isn't a peer-reviewed study, and it's not methodologically sound. We went over this when it was posted.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:52 pm to BamaAtl
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This article was published on December 30, 2020, at NEJM.org.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:52 pm to BamaAtl
It’s embarrassing that you would post that unironically. Especially knowing what we know now.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:53 pm to BamaAtl
Why the Religious Zealotry against Ivermectin and other alternative treatments from The Cult of Big Pharma, ESPECIALLY when you all got it wrong so often, costing thousands of lives in the process?
You didn't have all the answers, you still don't, yet your religion had you REFUSING any alternatives with a Religious fervor.....
Why i$ that?
You didn't have all the answers, you still don't, yet your religion had you REFUSING any alternatives with a Religious fervor.....
Why i$ that?
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