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re: The Pillow Man Legacy
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:02 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:02 pm to oklahogjr
My thoughts are that folks decided long ago whether they're in Camp Election Fraud/Malfeasance, or Camp Big Lie. I'm definitely Camp Election Fraud/Election Malfeasance, and was so on election night, before Trump or anyone else went on record in any way to voice their own thoughts on that. So no one had to turn me on to anything. And at this stage I don't think very many people are on the fence, waiting to be convinced one way or the other.
But anyway, I will give some attention to your last post to me a handful of posts previous and try to view it from your perspective. At the same time I must say that with or without Mike Lindell my position on the election is unchanged. Furthermore, I would deem Lindell an overall genuine man who, at the end of the day, has genuine beliefs about the legitimacy of the election.
But anyway, I will give some attention to your last post to me a handful of posts previous and try to view it from your perspective. At the same time I must say that with or without Mike Lindell my position on the election is unchanged. Furthermore, I would deem Lindell an overall genuine man who, at the end of the day, has genuine beliefs about the legitimacy of the election.
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:05 pm to thejuiceisloose
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So personal attacks instead of going over the issue at hand? Got it.
I've discussed the Lindell stuff at length through the course of the week, so yes personal attacks calling you a coward? The shoe fits like a glove in this case.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:09 pm to VoxDawg
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Thankfully, there's a core group of folks who couldn't give a flying frick what the boo-bird brigade has to say on here, and will continue to stand by their convictions, even if they're neither popular nor apparent at the moment.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:10 pm to TenTex
Lindell seems sincere, in the same way that most lunatics seem sincere.
I'm not a life counselor by profession but Lindell should have devoted less of his life to crack and the Bible and more to logic, math, and science books.
I'm not a life counselor by profession but Lindell should have devoted less of his life to crack and the Bible and more to logic, math, and science books.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:12 pm to davyjones
I would imagine my opinion isn't do different from yours.
My explanation of whst happened is a little more details a while back. But essentially.
The democrats were prepared to take advantage of covid laws and push hard to get trump out. There probably were all kinds of gray area tactics they used.
I personally dont call this fraud but I get why that looks shady and we should probably assess if that's something we want in our elections.
I also agree depending on the it setups there are potential vulnerabilities in our voting system. I haven't seen evidence of them being exploited in the 2020 election though. I do think we should address and review to endure were protected as possible though.
I'm not opposed to activating normal auditing procedures and ensuring compliance with them. I'm against going on a witch hunt across the country where more confusing and false info is gonna get spun out there about it.
My explanation of whst happened is a little more details a while back. But essentially.
The democrats were prepared to take advantage of covid laws and push hard to get trump out. There probably were all kinds of gray area tactics they used.
I personally dont call this fraud but I get why that looks shady and we should probably assess if that's something we want in our elections.
I also agree depending on the it setups there are potential vulnerabilities in our voting system. I haven't seen evidence of them being exploited in the 2020 election though. I do think we should address and review to endure were protected as possible though.
I'm not opposed to activating normal auditing procedures and ensuring compliance with them. I'm against going on a witch hunt across the country where more confusing and false info is gonna get spun out there about it.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:23 pm to oklahogjr
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I'm not opposed to activating normal auditing procedures and ensuring compliance with them.
That's where state Democrats and RINOs alike would vehemently disagree with you to the point of ignoring subpoenas ordering them to comply.
Why take such a hard-line stance, when if they believe that they legitimately won, the audits would wholly vindicate them?
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:24 pm to TenTex
It looks like his attack story has been updated, Washington Times He alleges that he was duped by someone seeking a photograph with him and they jabbed him in the side.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:31 pm to VoxDawg
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That's where state Democrats and RINOs alike would vehemently disagree with you to the point of ignoring subpoenas ordering them to comply.
I don't believe these are your standard audits.
What I heard them explain Is that nothing like what they wanted had been done before so they were having to create new processed and stuff.
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Why take such a hard-line stance, when if they believe that they legitimately one, the audits would wholly vindicate them?
Because all of this is continued to provide a smokescreen where people yell illegitimate election. It's time to accept it or show the evidence and move on. Hopefully next time we have the dense to get better candidates on both sides. I'm very sick of the great geriatric race with a demographics grab as VP.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:33 pm to dukkbill
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It looks like his attack story has been updated, Washington Times He alleges that he was duped by someone seeking a photograph with him and they jabbed him in the side.
Yeah he made the comment when taking photos at closing how he was gonna take a photo cause he wasn't gonna let them scare him from doing that. Then told the story a little more.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:35 pm to TenTex
Probably be forgotten in short order.
Not totally, but in discussions.
Trump would even lose ground if democrats didnt keep his name in the news.
Not totally, but in discussions.
Trump would even lose ground if democrats didnt keep his name in the news.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:38 pm to oklahogjr
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I personally dont call this fraud but I get why that looks shady and we should probably assess if that's something we want in our elections.
There was definitely groups of people registered to fake addresses. Thats fraud and it isnt new.
I believe the crowder stuff frim nevada. Mainly becayse a democrat was actually arrested in Louisiana for registering 12-16 people to a business address.
Illegals voting, but democrats dont think thats fraud or disenfranchisement. They think non citizens should have the rt to vote. Which is fricking crazy.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:43 pm to oklahogjr
I loved Wednesday's take on his legacy. Well written. Sums it up for me too. But I always knew the flaw in his information. I hoped he would prove me wrong but ultimately, he couldn't. I don't take much on faith. He does. It cost him.
Now as to whether the election was stolen or not... I think enough signs point to yes that we need to take it very seriously and FIX THIS NOW. Whether it was or not, the perception of it is dangerous enough and completely unnecessary with a few steps in the right direction for security.
My fantasy election security scenario would probably scare the crap out of both sides, but it would guarantee security.
Pull all voting machines out, no matter who made them.
All votes would be done on security paper that has an embedded RFID code that's tied to a blockchain secured NFT. All chain of custody activity of this ballot is noted on that NFT as it happens. It's all out in the open on the blockchain so that everyone can see it as it happens and will see it forevermore.
All voting is with ID.
The only way to vote at a place other than your polling place is to REQUEST a ballot with ID confirmed for that request to happen. This is all noted on that ballot's NFT and you are now the owner of that one ballot. All tracking information for that ballot is noted on that NFT automatically as it happens.
Vote harvesting is illegal.
Vote counts happen immediately after polls close and should be completed and confirmed within 24 hours.
Forensic Audits are automatic for every precinct and completely thorough.
Anybody messing with anything gets charged and sent to trial. Penalties are steep if convicted and compounded by the number of votes you potentially affected.
This would guarantee, one person, one vote, full security, fast resolution of election. Your nephew could audit the entire thing from his basement in an afternoon.
Now as to whether the election was stolen or not... I think enough signs point to yes that we need to take it very seriously and FIX THIS NOW. Whether it was or not, the perception of it is dangerous enough and completely unnecessary with a few steps in the right direction for security.
My fantasy election security scenario would probably scare the crap out of both sides, but it would guarantee security.
Pull all voting machines out, no matter who made them.
All votes would be done on security paper that has an embedded RFID code that's tied to a blockchain secured NFT. All chain of custody activity of this ballot is noted on that NFT as it happens. It's all out in the open on the blockchain so that everyone can see it as it happens and will see it forevermore.
All voting is with ID.
The only way to vote at a place other than your polling place is to REQUEST a ballot with ID confirmed for that request to happen. This is all noted on that ballot's NFT and you are now the owner of that one ballot. All tracking information for that ballot is noted on that NFT automatically as it happens.
Vote harvesting is illegal.
Vote counts happen immediately after polls close and should be completed and confirmed within 24 hours.
Forensic Audits are automatic for every precinct and completely thorough.
Anybody messing with anything gets charged and sent to trial. Penalties are steep if convicted and compounded by the number of votes you potentially affected.
This would guarantee, one person, one vote, full security, fast resolution of election. Your nephew could audit the entire thing from his basement in an afternoon.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:14 pm to moneyg
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You can only consider it a failure if you expected the data captures.
Everything else at the symposium was VERY good and there was a single focus to state legislatures to get a forensic audit.
Texas just passed in it’s senate.
First post that gets it as I skim through the pages.
The sole purpose of the Symposium regardless of which point or presentation moved the dial, was to initiate the steps to get the individual states AG's to advance audit and legal process to nullify the '20 election.
Texas is already in the win column for Lindell.
Each 50 states had legislative representatives in attendance. They met as a group and discussed the information presented and more importantly were able to hear the details and insight from the AZ reps on how to effectively move forward in their own states with respect to forensic audits.
Anyone who hasn't recognized this or shifted their focus to this development is simply blind, dumb or naïve to process.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:30 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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advance audit and legal process to nullify the '20 election.
That's not what audits are for. Not good faith ones at least.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:35 pm to Wednesday
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5. His legacy is Don Quixote at worst; and at best he’s proven to be correct and still loses everything.
Maybe he loses everything either way. But I'll tell you one thing, as long as he's selling pillows and sheets, I'm buying the son of a bitches. And I'm doing it because he stood up.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:41 pm to Valid
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I'm not a life counselor by profession but Lindell should have devoted less of his life to crack and the Bible and more to logic, math, and science books.
This is a stupid comment. You probably suck at math and I know you suck at logic.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:43 pm to oklahogjr
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It's actually reduced the number of conservatives here.
Who gives a sh*+?
This massive and orchestrated election theft has also vastly increased the number of people who realize that a vote in this UniParty® charade is a vote for the left or right wing of the Deep State.
Though I support the principles of limited government, I refuse to identify myself politically as a “conservative” since the term has been so devalued it has been rendered meaningless.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:53 pm to davyjones
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I must say that with or without Mike Lindell my position on the election is unchanged.
Well said. I remain an agnostic on these claims of electronic fraud myself.
Yet there was much more to the election fraud than the claims of unproven electronic voting machine manipulation. The executive branch and election officials in a few select battleground states repeatedly ignored court orders, sandbagged legislative subpoenas, destroyed evidence and otherwise blatantly ignored election laws in plain sight of us all in perpetuating a massive mail-in-ballot stuffing scheme.
So claims of an illegitimate election has not only NOT been disproven, it has scarcely been adjudicated. The election was indeed stolen in real-time live on tv:
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:02 pm to oklahogjr
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That's not what audits are for. Not good faith ones at least.
I would love to know your interpretation of what an audit is and it's purpose.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:06 pm to Valid
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I'm not a life counselor by profession but Lindell should have devoted less of his life to crack and the Bible and more to logic, math, and science books.
Lindell's commitment to logic, math and science is what drove him to contest the election.
Irregularities that defied logic, math and science.
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