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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:28 am to
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:28 am to
Looks like most of the days that got over 50 were in the last week of the month, and even those were just for a few hours during the warmest part of the day. And remember that’s just air temperature, which will fluctuate much faster than the temperature of a body. It takes much more energy to heat water than it does to heat air. Winter clothes will also act as a barrier to warmer temperatures.

It looks like (based on satellite images) these people were killed when temperatures were still very cold. Their bodies would have reached ambient temperature after a day or two. They would then only heat up a bit during the day due to the high specific energy of water. Their average temperature would stay low since the nights are so cold and last so much longer than the warmest part of the day (which only lasts a few hours in early afternoon).

It’s like how water stays much cooler than the air on a warm day.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 8:33 am
Posted by JayDeerTay84
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:39 am to
You said below zero. All I said was it hasn’t been below zero for a while. That is accurate and which is why that other guy confirmed through his links the bodies are smelling and decomposing.

Not sure what you are arguing for now.

This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 8:41 am
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 9:34 am to
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You said below zero. All I said was it hasn’t been below zero for a while.
Oh that's my bad, in my mind I meant below freezing. I do that all the time, where I think one thing and write or say another related but incorrect thing. (May have been thinking freezing = 0 in Celcius, but I was talking about Fahrenheit earlier)

I didn't understand what your point was so I thought you were saying it was warm enough for bodies to have advanced further in decomposition if they'd been dead for that long
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 9:37 am
Posted by JayDeerTay84
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 9:39 am to
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Oh that's my bad, in my mind I meant below freezing. I do that all the time, where I think one thing and write or say another related but incorrect thing. (May have been thinking freezing = 0 in Celcius when I was talking about Fahrenheit)

I didn't understand what your point was so I thought you were saying it was warm enough for bodies to have advanced further in decomposition if they'd been dead for that long


Oh I got you. Yea my 1st post I replied to a picture posted by OG and the body was still with color and everyone was just standing around acting like it was nothing.

It was some twitter post saying people had been dead for weeks etc. I just commented that if they had been dead for weeks, the smell would be almost unbearable. Regardless of the temps.

Probably a case of the media using pictures from other things that didnt line up with reporting.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 9:41 am to
It may also be a matter of people being used to the smell at this point. They've been around death for 5 weeks.

I've never been to a warzone and I'm not a first responder so I'm not sure if that's something you adjust to.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 9:42 am
Posted by JayDeerTay84
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 9:42 am to
This was the post:



That dead dude has the same skin tone as the guy taking a selfie.

This was the one I was replying to.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:24 am to
I’m sure Ukraine is telling the truth
Posted by dr90210
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 10:48 am to
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I’m sure Ukraine is telling the truth



LOL, based on dislikes some of the OT cucks are in this thread.

Even with all the weapons they've been handed they are more desperate than ever and still need physical involvement from the West to prevent large portion of the East and most of the Black Sea coast being taken by Russia and DPR.

How hard would it be to get some bodies killed in a shell strike, tie up a couple of with rope and lay them on the side of the road? Call up the media, get Zelensky out there to bring the press and scream about executions.

The fact that CNN is jumping on it as #1 story is #1 indicator it's probably bullshite falseflag operation- and a primitive one at that.

I'm sure an autopsy would be able to tell if these people died at the same time and what was the true cause of death.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 10:52 am
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:00 am to
I mean, they have lied through their teeth from the beginning, so there is no reason to believe anything they say. Only a moron would take them at their word. People just want to believe everything they say for some strange reason. This is a phenomenon I keep seeing over and over. frick the facts. I want to believe this and I will bend everything to fit that narrative I so desperately want to believe. These people are psychologically damaged and need therapy. Victims of years of psychological warfare
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by dr90210
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:07 am to
Definitely Stockholm Syndrome via corrupted news. Just look at how much manipulation and blatant lying US media has produced in the last 5 years and how quickly it was disproven. They never really acknowledged it was a lie, damage was done, they moved on.

And the sheep just go baaa....and eat more of their misinformation.

WMDs, Syrian gas attacks, ISIS freedom fighters, Trump/Russian collusion, the "real Trump dossier proven mostly to be true".

Basically they should have their news license and certification revoked because they intentionally and systematically misinform the populace.

As to this attack, it most likely is fase flag because I don't see why Russia in any way would benefit tying up people, shooting them and then laying them out for display along the side of the road.Like what would be the purpose of that? Looking at war footage, Russian troops are more worried about staying alive than creating execution exhibits for Western media to exploit.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 11:10 am
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:11 am to
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Only a moron would take them at their word.


Down voted by said morons.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:16 am to
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I'm sure an autopsy would be able to tell if these people died at the same time
In this case I doubt it. Can't use algor mortis because it's been too long. Can't use forensic entomology because it's been too long plus the temperatures were too cold for there to be insects. Can't use state of decomposition because the cold temperatures prevented decomposition from occurring or at least several slowed it down.

Cause of death is definitely possible to determine and it would be relevant. Big difference between dying from shell fragments and dying from a bullet to the head. Gunshots to the rest of the body is murkier because it could be an execution, mistaken identity, crossfire, etc.

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The fact that CNN is jumping on it as #1 story is #1 indicator it's probably bullshite falseflag operation
This is shitty logic. If it's real it merits being the top story. You can't use that as evidence that it's fake

I understand the skepticism toward MSM but some of you become irrational and completely blinded by it
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 11:18 am
Posted by dr90210
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:26 am to
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This is shitty logic. If it's real it merits being the top story. You can't use that as evidence that it's fake

I understand the skepticism toward MSM but some of you become irrational and completely blinded by it




Yeah, because CNN always makes the most credible front-headline news stories as their top stories.

You know, Police Brutality, Trump Russia, Trump's Corruption ties, Trump extorting Zelensky and Ukraine, Syria chemical weapons....

Should I go on?

The fact that you haven't realized CNN isn't there to report on news but to create and drive political narratives is on you, not on me.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 11:28 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:29 am to
Right. I hate to say I don't believe anything coming out of MSM. But, it's difficult when they lied about Russia collusion, Hunter laptop, Putin bounties, Trump got impeached for Biden's corruption, and now we have the debunked 7 hour phone gap. So, I will at least look at what everyone is saying. Speaking of which, Scott Ritter is writing for RT and saying pump the brakes.
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The truth about Bucha is out there, but perhaps too inconvenient to be discovered
It should be easy to find out what really happened to the massacred civilians in the Ukrainian town

LINK
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:35 am to
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Yeah, because CNN always makes the most credible front-headline news stories as their top stories.

You know, Police Brutality, Trump Russia, Trump's Corruption ties, Trump extorting Zelensky and Ukraine, Syria chemical weapons....

Should I go on?

The fact that you haven't realized CNN isn't there to report on news but to create and drive political narratives is on you, not on me.
So every CNN front page story is fake? I'm pretty sure Russia invading Ukraine was a front page story. Did that really happen or is it all a hoax?

Again, I want to be clear: being skeptical of a news source is perfectly rational. But saying "it's on CNN so it's fake" is dumb as frick (and that goes for every news source)
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 11:38 am
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:39 am to
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frick the facts. I

So what are the facts? Anything publicized is BS that puts Russia in a bad light.
The fact is there is a lot of evidence that Russians tortured, raped and murdered civilians. And yes it still hadn’t been independently verified, but there’s time for that.
So again, what are the facts? Tell us Russia’s side of the story.
Put your facts out there instead of just saying everybody else is wrong.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:50 am to
I am not saying CNN is lying, but they have gotten damn near every major news story wrong initially for the past 6 years.

I think it would be a good practice to take anything they report from a skeptical view early on; with anything.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 11:53 am to
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I think it would be a good practice to take anything they report from a skeptical view early on; with anything.
That should be the default stance with any source of news
Posted by GWM
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:11 pm to
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xxTIMMYxx ......
I’m sure Ukraine is telling the truth


I'm sensing your sarcasm there, and I couldn't agree more. Putin might be ruthless, but he's no idiot. It looks like Zelenskyy, and his minions, are staging blatant war crimes in an attempt to garner sympathy from the UN, and the rest of the world. The media is eating it 99%, hook-line-and sinker, and selling it to sheep for nothing but ratings.

Putin knows the game Zelenskyy is playing, and very soon he's going to get tired of the game. I don't think there's a chance that Putin lets the UN, and the USA, force him into a corner.

Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:34 pm to
It’s throwing me off how much the MSM is anointing Zelensky. Reminds me of Fauci at the onset of Covid. I don’t know what’s going on but an agenda is being pushed.
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