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Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:39 pm to 4cubbies
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We should stick to what we know doesn’t work because New Orleans isn’t Norway.
You seem to be avoiding that the very article you linked to basically says that same thing.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:40 pm to 4cubbies
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We should stick to what we know doesn’t work because New Orleans isn’t Norway.
Jail works.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:43 pm to loogaroo
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Jail works.
Not really.
She's right about that.
All prison does is serve as a graduate school for criminals and a temporary reprieve for the public.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:47 pm to loogaroo
If government orgs actually could provide for the needy (instead of funneling money to its leaders to commit crimes) then maybe I’d listen to a lefty.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:53 pm to wackatimesthree
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Not really.
She's right about that.
All prison does is serve as a graduate school for criminals and a temporary reprieve for the public.
More jails, harsher conditions and longer sentences.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:55 pm to loogaroo
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More jails, harsher conditions and longer sentences.
Research is pretty solid that none of that deters crime.
The one thing that does is increasing the certainty of being caught. But the severity of the punishment doesn't really move the needle at all. Including long sentences.
Sorry.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:58 pm to wackatimesthree
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The one thing that does is increasing the certainty of being caught. But the severity of the punishment doesn't really move the needle at all. Including long sentences.
Moar cops and more jails. The process of elimination.
The Dems destroyed the social norms that prevent the majority of crime. So, what else are we to do?
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:59 pm to loogaroo
I agree. The prison system needs to start freeing up the death row inmates
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:01 pm to loogaroo
I got a better idea. Step up executions and build some new prisons.
A lot of career criminals out there these days because they know there’s little downside. Back out in the street in no time.
A lot of career criminals out there these days because they know there’s little downside. Back out in the street in no time.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:02 pm to 4cubbies
Are you suggesting we can rehabilitate psychopaths? Rapists and murderers?
This is why women shouldn’t vote. In fact, it’s a big reason these assholes get out early.
This is why women shouldn’t vote. In fact, it’s a big reason these assholes get out early.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:06 pm to loogaroo
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Moar cops
As I said, that works. Research and history proves it.
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more jails
That doesn't. (And BTW, you really mean prisons, not jails.)
The idea is to prevent crimes from happening, not end up with more and more people incarcerated for crimes that did happen.
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The Dems destroyed the social norms that prevent the majority of crime.
100% correct. And I agree that nothing will be very effective (except higher police presence) until the nuclear family is significantly restored, as well as other cultural factors disappearing, like encouraging poor race relations and class envy, and the popularity of populism doesn't make those things likely at all.
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So, what else are we to do?
It's a great question. But note that logically I am not required to have a better solution in order to point out that the solution you are suggesting will not work.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:07 pm to Pax Regis
We wouldn't need new prisons if it was known you are stuck there.
There will always be pure evil that needs to be locked away for good, but the other "opportunists" will reconsider .
There will always be pure evil that needs to be locked away for good, but the other "opportunists" will reconsider .
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:07 pm to Pax Regis
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A lot of career criminals out there these days because they know there’s little downside. Back out in the street in no time.
Actually, the opposite is what happens.
They get de-sensitized to life in prison and they fear it less and less every time they go in.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:08 pm to 4cubbies
Apples to Oranges
Or in this case eggs to eggplants.
Or in this case eggs to eggplants.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:11 pm to wackatimesthree
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You seem to be avoiding that the very article you linked to basically says that same thing.
It doesn’t. It says researchers can’t predict the outcome of implementing Norway’s approach in other countries. That’s so obvious that it didn’t even need to be stated.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:11 pm to wackatimesthree
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It's a great question. But note that logically I am not required to have a better solution in order to point out that the solution you are suggesting will not work.
Huh? Weird, but I said more cops and you agreed. For now, we need more jails/prisons (you knew what I was talking about).
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:12 pm to loogaroo
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More jails, harsher conditions and longer sentences.
We’ve been doing this for decades.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:14 pm to wackatimesthree
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The one thing that does is increasing the certainty of being caught.
Education and employment deter crime. Weird that you omitted those things.
Employment has the most significant impact on reducing recidivism. Education is closely tied to employment.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:15 pm to 4cubbies
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It doesn’t.
Yeah, it pretty much does.
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It says researchers can’t predict the outcome of implementing Norway’s approach in other countries.
And then it names multiple reasons for why it might not work in western countries, including noting that it is already three times more expensive than the US prison system. The tone is not optimistic.
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That’s so obvious that it didn’t even need to be stated.
I thought so too. But apparently not.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 7:22 pm
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