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The John Bolton Saga...
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:25 am
I keep seeing the argument made by a few that this was Trump making a mistake.
Bolton was hired in 2018.
Here is the head line at the end of 2018:
North Korea launched no missiles in 2018.
This is the link to that headline from NBC
Part of that Story:
Here is another headline:
In his second year, Donald Trump is building a more extreme, confrontational presidency
Trump Hires Bolton
Trump explains all of this in his interviews. Here is one from 2020:
The president commented during an interview with the Wall Street Journal:
Using Bolton as some sort of a battering ram is nothing more than ignorance.
- Bolton talked Trump into no wars. YET IT WAS NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING!
- Bolton served his purpose and was let go.
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Bolton was hired in 2018.
Here is the head line at the end of 2018:
North Korea launched no missiles in 2018.
This is the link to that headline from NBC
Part of that Story:
quote:
The drumbeat reached a peak in 2017, when Kim Jong Un's regime launched its first intercontinental ballistic missiles — theoretically capable of striking the United States mainland.
Then it all stopped.
Here is another headline:
In his second year, Donald Trump is building a more extreme, confrontational presidency
Trump Hires Bolton
Trump explains all of this in his interviews. Here is one from 2020:
The president commented during an interview with the Wall Street Journal:
quote:
The only thing I liked about Bolton was that everybody thought he was crazy. And frankly, when you walk into the room with him, you’re in a good negotiating position. Because they figure you’re going to war if John Bolton was there. He wanted to go to war with everybody. He never saw a war he didn’t like.
Using Bolton as some sort of a battering ram is nothing more than ignorance.
- Bolton talked Trump into no wars. YET IT WAS NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING!
- Bolton served his purpose and was let go.
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:25 am to Jjdoc
quote:
Using Bolton as some sort of a battering ram is nothing more than ignorance.
I agree, trump was not smart to do that.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:26 am to Jjdoc
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:26 am to Jjdoc
quote:
I keep seeing the argument made by a few that this was Trump making a mistake.
The "mean tweet" posse always overlooks facts.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:27 am to Jjdoc
frick John Bolton.
If he wants war so bad then he should send his children overseas to fight and die. Something tells me his kids would be exempt from the draft if we ever found ourselves in that position (probably because of actions by him and people like him)
If he wants war so bad then he should send his children overseas to fight and die. Something tells me his kids would be exempt from the draft if we ever found ourselves in that position (probably because of actions by him and people like him)
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:36 am to grizzlylongcut
quote:
frick John Bolton.
Agree.
quote:
If he wants war so bad then he should send his children overseas to fight and die. Something tells me his kids would be exempt from the draft if we ever found ourselves in that position (probably because of actions by him and people like him)
Agree with that too.
Off topic, but I agree.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
I agree, trump was not smart to do that.
Served his purpose. Then was dismissed.
Just like several others. Rex Tillerson for example.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:42 am to Jjdoc
quote:
quote:
The only thing I liked about Bolton was that everybody thought he was crazy. And frankly, when you walk into the room with him, you’re in a good negotiating position. Because they figure you’re going to war if John Bolton was there. He wanted to go to war with everybody. He never saw a war he didn’t like.
Using Bolton as some sort of a battering ram is nothing more than ignorance.
- Bolton talked Trump into no wars. YET IT WAS NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING!
- Bolton served his purpose and was let go.
Not sure if I'm sure where you're coming down on this.
I'd say that showing up with your "muscle" (VERY loosely speaking in Bolton's case) is a really good negotiating position. You get the guy famous for wanting to go to war to intimidate your opponents so that you don't have to go to war.
And am I mis-remembering something, or wasn't Bolton on the weapons inspection team pre-invasion that opposed W's invasion of Iraq, despite being repeatedly kicked out by Hussein?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:47 am to Jjdoc
Mental gymnastics May Lou Retton couldn’t not have done in her prime.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:51 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Mental gymnastics May Lou Retton couldn’t not have done in her prime.
Yet you can't refute the facts.
It's simply because you need it to be the way you want?
What did Bolton accomplish with Trump that you have a disagreement with?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:52 am to Jjdoc
Drain the swap
Hires John Bolton
Jjobama in with the excuses
Hires John Bolton
Jjobama in with the excuses
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:53 am to VolcanicTiger
quote:
I'd say that showing up with your "muscle" (VERY loosely speaking in Bolton's case) is a really good negotiating position. You get the guy famous for wanting to go to war to intimidate your opponents so that you don't have to go to war.
Was Trump's policy to have a strong military so that you don't have to because people know what would happen.
quote:
And am I mis-remembering something, or wasn't Bolton on the weapons inspection team pre-invasion that opposed W's invasion of Iraq, despite being repeatedly kicked out by Hussein?
Bolton was very much so a part of going into Iraq.... and staying.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:55 am to Jjdoc
quote:Yeah that's what I'm trying to reconcile with his going against W, or if I just don't remember all the details from 20 years ago.
Bolton was very much so a part of going into Iraq.... and staying.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:58 am to 14&Counting
quote:
Drain the swap
Hires John Bolton
YEP! To do a job. Then sent him home.
It's really simple. You can not refute the facts and that's all you got.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:59 am to Taxing Authority
quote:People like you don't understand how others are successful.
Mental gymnastics May Lou Retton couldn’t not have done in her prime.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:59 am to Jjdoc
quote:Trump was (and still is) big on "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Not saying he doesn't screw the pooch sometimes, but people that can't see this are just hopeless.
YEP! To do a job. Then sent him home.
It's really simple. You can not refute the facts and that's all you got.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:59 am to Jjdoc
quote:You’ll have to provide some first. Bolton record however, stands o it’s own.
Yet you can't refute the facts.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:01 pm to Jjdoc
I think some of you might have completely lost touch with reality. Hiring Neocons is good because Trump was weak and needed muscle. A Neocon likes DeSantis is bad because globalism reeee.
Honestly it drives people away from Trump's side. Some of you sound like you're worshiping Kim Jong Un. I'm expecting a thread about Trump shooting a 52 yesterday at Doral any second.
Normal people are choosing the side that is grounded in reality. They see you guys pretending that every mistake Trump ever made was some sort of masterstroke of brilliance and they choose the group that doesn't seem like they're about to hand them a pamphlet on chem trails.
Honestly it drives people away from Trump's side. Some of you sound like you're worshiping Kim Jong Un. I'm expecting a thread about Trump shooting a 52 yesterday at Doral any second.
Normal people are choosing the side that is grounded in reality. They see you guys pretending that every mistake Trump ever made was some sort of masterstroke of brilliance and they choose the group that doesn't seem like they're about to hand them a pamphlet on chem trails.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:01 pm to RoyalWe
quote:
People like you don't understand how others are successful.
I guess you’re right. I only try to hire competent people, i don’t have to immediately dismiss, in my business. What an idiot I am. This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:04 pm to VolcanicTiger
quote:
Yeah that's what I'm trying to reconcile with his going against W, or if I just don't remember all the details from 20 years ago.
Bolton going against W?
Are talking about the interview where Trump talks about it?
quote:
Trump said he could never understand why Bolton continued to defend the decision that the George W. Bush administration made to invade Iraq.
That's saying that Trump could not understand why Bolton continues to defend the Bush decisions on Iraq.
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