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Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:50 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:What happened to Rosa Parks on that bus, is exactly what Rosa and the NAACP intended to happen.
It is more true to say that Parks actions were the spark for a flame that was waiting to be kindled.
The NAACP and the WPC were already preparing a bus boycott, and were awaiting a test case to engage it
Rosa was a trained NAACP Activist, and would most assuredly have been aware of all of this.
Her husband also owned a car. She only rode the bus to get arrested.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:53 pm to anc
That 3% figure can be made roughly true with some careful counting (especially counting northerners), but it’s often doing more rhetorical work than historical work.
Slavery wasn’t marginal because few people held deeds. It was systemic: it shaped law, labor, wealth, policing, and politics. You don’t need mass ownership for mass harm (feudalism and organized crime work the same way).
And whether an owner held 2 people or 200 doesn’t change much from the enslaved person’s perspective. Property is property.
One thing that struck me reading Twelve Years a Slave in Bill Cooper's Southern History class at LSU was how profoundly the system deformed everyone involved - the enslaved most of all, but also overseers and owners, whose moral collapse is almost the point.
So the real question isn’t “how many owners were there?” but “what kind of society requires ordinary people to participate in a system like that, directly or indirectly?”
Slavery wasn’t marginal because few people held deeds. It was systemic: it shaped law, labor, wealth, policing, and politics. You don’t need mass ownership for mass harm (feudalism and organized crime work the same way).
And whether an owner held 2 people or 200 doesn’t change much from the enslaved person’s perspective. Property is property.
One thing that struck me reading Twelve Years a Slave in Bill Cooper's Southern History class at LSU was how profoundly the system deformed everyone involved - the enslaved most of all, but also overseers and owners, whose moral collapse is almost the point.
So the real question isn’t “how many owners were there?” but “what kind of society requires ordinary people to participate in a system like that, directly or indirectly?”
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:54 pm to Roaad
quote:
What happened to Rosa Parks on that bus, is exactly what Rosa and the NAACP intended to happen.
Again, is the fact that black people were using some of their only political means to affect change is not some big reveal. Again, Jo Ann Robinson explicitly said as much. And my point is absolutely correct. No one had planned for the protest or boycott to reach the proportions that it did, which again speaks to the feeling of the era, in which knowledge of previous bus boycotts was used to affect political change.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:54 pm to TigerDoc
In your opinion, why do blacks still continue to enslave blacks in Africa?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:55 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Pretty much all of them. . .until the UK had enough
“what kind of society requires ordinary people to participate in a system like that, directly or indirectly?”
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:56 pm to Ailsa
It's fake.
No kidding.
No kidding.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:58 pm to texag7
Slavery shows up wherever power is unchecked and people can be treated as property. That’s been true across races, religions, and continents for thousands of years. Explaining slavery by identity misses the point because systems matter more than skin color. And the fact that humans keep recreating oppressive systems doesn’t excuse any particular one. It just tells us how vigilant societies have to be to prevent them.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:58 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Nobody is saying she wasn't brave for what she did
Again, is the fact that black people were using some of their only political means to affect change is not some big reveal. Again, Jo Ann Robinson explicitly said as much. And my point is absolutely correct. No one had planned for the protest or boycott to reach the proportions that it did, which again speaks to the feeling of the era, in which knowledge of previous bus boycotts was used to affect political change.
The push back has more to do with the narrative we were all fed.
Same with Tubman
Same with most figures we refuse to treat as historical figures.
Even "villains" like Hernando Cortes. It becomes more important to make them a "cause" than an actual complex human.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:05 pm to SallysHuman
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What sucks though, is you KNOW there are legit, amazing black people they could be using for BHM… why do they only laud the frauds? Lookin at you, Rosa Parks!
Yep there was a freed black man who became an engineer and designed some cool bridges in Alabama back in the late 1800s...but his story isnt cool enough because he wasnt stickin it to white people, he was helping them build towns and making a name for himself based off merit and talent
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:05 pm to Roaad
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Nobody is saying she wasn't brave for what she did
But the spirit of political action and activism is central to understanding why bus boycotts were chosen. If you remove that, you are left with myths. Contextualized within a broader movement of resistance, Parks's actions are utterly benign, especially when compared to post-colonial movements. Removing that context is what allows the myth-making to result. What should upset people is the framing that what really is at issue was the activism and not what they were organizing against.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:06 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Yep there was a freed black man who became an engineer and designed some cool bridges in Alabama back in the late 1800s...but his story isnt cool enough because he wasnt stickin it to white people, he was helping them build towns and making a name for himself based off merit and talent
I like stories like that, you got a name I can google?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:11 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:But knowing the whole thing was planned and orchestrated shouldn't change that.
But the spirit of political action and activism is central to understanding why bus boycotts were chosen.
People just want to believe in the myth
"She was tired from work and rode home on the bus when a chain of events she was completely oblivious to led to the rise of MLK Jr."
That is the myth people still believe
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:12 pm to crazy4lsu
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quote:
What happened to Rosa Parks on that bus, is exactly what Rosa and the NAACP intended to happen.
Again, is the fact that black people were using some of their only political means to affect change is not some big reveal. Again, Jo Ann Robinson explicitly said as much. And my point is absolutely correct. No one had planned for the protest or boycott to reach the proportions that it did, which again speaks to the feeling of the era, in which knowledge of previous bus boycotts was used to affect political change.
What I always come back to...is what are the fruits of all this? Black people didnt use the advances they made in the civil rights era to better themselves. Sure many became millionaires playing sports and making slop music but black communities are still rife with crime, drugs, alcoholism, broken families, dilapidated houses. The sad reality is that blacks are just not fit for western civilization
Is anyone really going to argue that Selma became a better place after segregation? Its one of the most depressing places in the country
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:13 pm to SallysHuman
quote:
quote:
Yep there was a freed black man who became an engineer and designed some cool bridges in Alabama back in the late 1800s...but his story isnt cool enough because he wasnt stickin it to white people, he was helping them build towns and making a name for himself based off merit and talent
I like stories like that, you got a name I can google?
Horace King
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:14 pm to crazy4lsu
One thing that gets lost in these debates is that complaints about “mythologizing” usually don’t lead to neutral, context-free history. They lead to a different myth, just one that flatters a different set of values. The choice is rarely “myth or no myth.” It’s usually “which myth are we pretending isn’t one?” 
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:14 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Horace King
Thank you!!
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:15 pm to SallysHuman
Just read about Booker T. Washington
Born a slave
Without him, there could never have been a civil rights movement.
Born a slave
Without him, there could never have been a civil rights movement.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:17 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Not if we are talking history backed with evidence, discarding that which there is no evidence
One thing that gets lost in these debates is that complaints about “mythologizing” usually don’t lead to neutral, context-free history. They lead to a different myth, just one that flatters a different set of values. The choice is rarely “myth or no myth.” It’s usually “which myth are we pretending isn’t one?”
Such as the link I provided earlier.
It isn't Myth vs. Myth.
It is Myth vs History.
What a bizarre allegation!
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:19 pm to Roaad
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But knowing the whole thing was planned and orchestrated shouldn't change that.
What? What has occurred is that the political context of what was occurring in Montgomery, AL in the 1950's has been removed. I am suggesting that adding that narrative, or reinforcing that there was a political context that involved several leaders of that community, does nothing to diminish Parks's actions. You agree that the context is important, right? One of the central questions we should ask when studying this event is to ask 'why bus boycotts?' If you want to avoid the myth, then tell the truth. The truth is that the boycott would not have been successful for as long as it was without the cottage industry of activists who supported Parks and that they were leveraging the political power they had in a focused way in order to affect political change.
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