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The GOP might impeach Trump, changing our politics forever – for the better

Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:33 pm
"Summary: President Trump might spark a change in our politics both unexpected and (as it will seem afterwards) inevitable, making our 18th century constitutional regime more similar to modern parliamentary systems. If he continues to act wildly and weirdly, the Republicans in Congress might impeach and remove him — putting the solidly far-Right Mike Pence at the helm. Trump would be the first President removed by Congress, but not the last. The occasional impeachment of Presidents would make Congress the Federal power center the Founders intended it to be.

A long-time concern of constitutional lawyers and political scientists has been the fundamental instability of presidential governance systems, like that of the USA. How are deep and irreconcilable conflicts between Congress and the President resolved? Worse, what happens if we get an incompetent President after he loses the confidence of Congress, the public, and perhaps even senior executive branch officers? Especially at a time of national crisis, the result could be disastrous — with no obvious remedy. For example, see “American democracy is doomed” by Matthew Yglesias at VOX.

In the early 1980s Bruce Ackerman (Prof Law, Yale) began to study the process of constitutional change in America. He found an informal method of evolution other than the formal processes specified in the Constitution, which he called “higher lawmaking” (summary here). After the great crises of the Civil War, the Great Depression, and WWII — America’s political regime bears little resemblance to its form during Washington’s administration. The Trump years might create its next great test.

Much of America’s social change since WWII results from elites’ recognition that they can break the informal social norms that govern their behavior. Doctors can practice medicine as a business and become rich. CEOs can arrange corporations to pay themselves fantastic sums and so become plutocrats. Elected representatives can arrange to become almost permanent fixtures, retiring wealthy.

All of these changes seemed impossible before they happened, until they realized that the social norms that constrained them were just paper shackles. In the next few years Congress might realize that they can impeach a President at will, drastically changing the structure of US government to more closely resemble the parliamentary governments used by almost all other republics (for good reason few nations have copied our odd structure). Trump might force this break in precedent; its effects will change America’s government forever."

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I think the stage is being set for impeachment. Maybe. The GOP may chicken out if that is even in the works.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:34 pm to
idiot
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:34 pm to
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I think the stage is being set for impeachment.


On what grounds?
Posted by slapahoe
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:34 pm to
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Posted by PrideofTheSEC
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:34 pm to
im not reading all of this but i would never vote republican again.
Posted by RobbBobb
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:37 pm to
That might have been the plan prior to Nunes admitting that Trump was spied on during the campaign. And that it had nothing to do with Russia
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:37 pm to
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might impeach


quote:

I think


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Maybe.


Way to go out on a limb there, C&P.

Posted by Radiojones
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:37 pm to


Please just stop
Posted by DragginFly
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:41 pm to
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In the next few years Congress might realize that they can impeach a President at will
That being the case, why have a President at all (save for ceremonial duties).
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:42 pm to
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On what grounds?



"…In 1970 Gerald Ford declared that an impeachable offence ‘is whatever a majority of the House (considers it) to be at a given moment in history’ and that ‘conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of (the Senate) considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal’. …"

Same link
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:46 pm to
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WhiskeyPapa


Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:48 pm to
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In the next few years Congress might realize that they can impeach a President at will

That being the case, why have a President at all (save for ceremonial duties).


That is what Congress intended. That is why the Legislative Branch Article is first and the Executive Branch Article is second in the Constitution.

"Old Buck" Buchanan was called the "Public Functionary."

On deck was Lincoln with a pretty gigantic challenge.

"I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful, by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the constitution, through the preservation of the nation. Right or wrong, I assumed this ground, and now avow it."

4/4/64

And the presidents have gained more and more power ever since.

Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:48 pm to
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WhiskeyPapa


Maxine, is that you?


Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

"…In 1970 Gerald Ford declared that an impeachable offence ‘is whatever a majority of the House (considers it) to be at a given moment in history’ and that ‘conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of (the Senate) considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal’. …"




so, you don't provide the grounds...you are merely saying Congress can come up with whatever reason?
Posted by Kafkas father
Member since Aug 2016
1124 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:49 pm to
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would make Congress the Federal power center the Founders intended it to be.


frick that, have you seen what congress has become?

A bunch of lifetime politicians that are owned by special interest groups. Districts created by the magic pen and elected by skin color rather than merit.

The political shite show in Washington is why we have a President Trump. If his only accomplishment is to seat some good SCJOTUS then he's done well.
That and piss off some of the do nothing Congress is fine by me.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 3:01 pm to
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I think the stage is being set for impeachment. Maybe. The GOP may chicken out if that is even in the works.



patience

English bookies have it 4-1 against impeachment during first year in office.

but the English bookies have it at about 50/50 if you want to bet against Trump making it the full 4 years.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 3:02 pm to
Fabious Maximus
Posted by demtigers73
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 3:04 pm to
you're a dumbass
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 3:06 pm to
Keep dreaming. Enjoy eight years of Trump you old frick
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