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re: The first 25 minutes of the latest All in podcast is a master class in capitalism
Posted on 6/21/26 at 7:38 am to LSUnKaty
Posted on 6/21/26 at 7:38 am to LSUnKaty
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And by denigrating or even penalizing productive capacity and achievement, left-wing ideologues promote a stagnant society in which laborers are discouraged from ever becoming owners.
It's not just left wing. This is rampant in populism, too, doing the same strategy.
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Another important insight is the way political language is often repurposed where terms like “justice” and “equity” are used as semantic camouflage, obscuring policies and trade-offs that might be viewed far less favorably if described in more direct and precise terms.
Yes 100%. Also applies to my statement above.
Removing personal responsibility from the equation, be it outward leftism or populism, removes agency from the person.
This reminds me of old school Jordan Peterson before he got guru-itis. His best stuff is his lectures from before he got internet famous. This video is probably my favorite (it keeps getting deleted from the internet)
Some exerpts:
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And so if your life isn’t everything it could be, you could ask yourself: well, what would happen if you just stopped wasting the opportunities that are in front of you? You’d be who knows how much more efficient; ten times more efficient, twenty times more efficient; that’s the Pareto distribution. You have no idea how efficient efficient people get. It’s completely… it’s off the charts. And if we all got our act together collectively and stopped making things worse – because that’s another thing people do all the time: not only do they not do what they should to make things better, they actively attempt to make things worse, because they’re spiteful or resentful or arrogant or deceitful or homicidal or genocidal or all of those things bundled together in an absolutely pathological package – if people stopped really really trying just to make things worse, we have no idea how much better they would get just because of that. So there’s this weird dynamic that’s part of the existential system of ideas between human vulnerability, social judgement, both of which are major causes of suffering, and the failure of individuals to adopt the responsibility that they know they should adopt.
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And so, you know, you think: well, there’s nine billion, seven billion people in the world, we’re going to be peak at about nine billion by the way, and then it’ll decline rapidly, but seven billion people in the world and who are you? You’re just one little dust mote among that seven billion and so it really doesn’t matter what you do or don’t do, but that’s simply not the case. It’s the wrong model, because you’re at the center of a network. You’re a node in a network. Of course, that’s even more true now that we have social media. You’ll know a thousand people, at least, over the course of your life, and they’ll know a thousand people each, and that puts you one person away from a million, and two persons away from a billion! And that’s how you’re connected and the things you do – they’re like dropping a stone in a pond – the ripples move outward and they affect things in ways that you can’t fully comprehend.
And this is the best part
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And it means that the things that you do and that you don’t do are far more important than you think! And so if you act that way, of course, the terror of realizing that is that it actually starts to matter what you do. And you might say: well, that’s better than living a meaningless existence; it’s better for it to matter. But, I mean, if you really ask yourself would you be so sure, if you had the choice: I can live with no responsibility whatsoever, the price I pay is that nothing matters; or: I can reverse it, and everything matters, but I have to take the responsibility that’s associated with that. It’s not so obvious to me that people would take the meaningful path. Now, when you say: well, nihilists suffer dreadfully because there’s no meaning in their life and they still suffer; yeah, but the advantage is they have no responsibility. So that’s the payoff, and I actually think that’s the motivation. Saying: well, I can’t help being nihilistic, all my belief systems have collapsed; it’s like: yeah, maybe, maybe you’ve just allowed them to collapse because it’s a hell of a lot easier than acting them out. And the price you pay is some meaningless suffering, but you can always whine about that and people will feel sorry for you, and you have the option of taking the pathway of the martyr, so that’s a pretty good deal, all things considered. Especially when the alternative is to bear your burden properly and to live forthrightly in the world.
Anyone who has dealt with one of the people in bold/underlined has an intrinsic understanding of the problem, whether that understanding makes it to the rational part of their brain or not. That is describing Chamath's dad in the clip, for instance, or the tens of thousands of men in the Rust Belt who gave up when their suboptimal factory job left and they gave up on life and turned to addiction instead, creating future generations of pathology with no concept of hope.
These are the people who think Elon has a trillion dollars in a bank account, swimming in his gold coin vault like Scrooge McDuck. The worst are the somewhat educated/working people who believe this, especially, ironically, if they have a retirement account.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 7:50 am to dickkellog
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i know you're not a lawyer and you've written war and peace 200 times over on this website for free but are you some kind of a retard?
This shite here.
Hey boy, stay in your lane. Your lane is overpaying for home renovations and then coming here to brag about it.
Stay there little guy.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
For frick's sake, that's a lot of big words to wake up to in the morning before having coffee.
Yes I slept in, damn it. It's Father's Day.
Yes I slept in, damn it. It's Father's Day.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:03 am to HubbaBubba
Here was the prompt
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Give an incredibly in-depth explanation in high detail. Use technical language at the college graduate level. Specifically discuss how these two segments explain and celebrate capitalism, free markets, and private property ownership are good for all society and how leftist economics are wrong and bad for society. You can use specific quotes. Please also give timestamps for specific points and quotes.
These are teh two segments
First segment: 0 - 18:00
Second segment: 18:00 - 25:00
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
That was a great exegeses. Thanks for posting it. 
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:19 am to Madking
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This is a great lesson for Lefties
Lmfao
Why are you laughing so hard? I think it is a great lesson for them.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:20 am to Rainier Fog
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Ain't nobody watching a link your dumbass posts
Wrong!
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Have you actually voted for someone who wants less regulation?
It seems like you are the one that needed this video.
It seems like you are the one that needed this video.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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not a zero sum game taking from anyone
One of the most insidious fallacies infecting young minds today, I feel.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:24 am to dickkellog
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I know you're not a lawyer and you've written war and peace 200 times over on this website for free but are you some kind of a retard?
^this
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:41 am to dgnx6
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Have you actually voted for someone who wants less regulation?
Yes
For doing that, I was accused of supporting DEMs/Leftists
Same with supporting guys like Massie and Rand Paul
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It seems like you are the one that needed this video.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 9:45 am to Robin Masters
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One of the most insidious fallacies infecting young minds today, I feel.
This + the combination of saying anyone successful only did it b/c of their parents seems to be the typical gameplan.
The funny thing is if you look at a Bezos, and the ratio of his company's value v. the contribution (with interest), it should illuminate a rational actor on both points.
$245,573 in 1995 is about $536,618.90 today.
That is a whopping 0.0000204% the current value of Amazon today, per Google's math.
The attempt to link Elon's family to his success is even more specious.
For Bill Gates they basically say his parents were well off and he went to good schools.
*ETA: this also opens up a whole different discussion about parents' impact on children, which goes back to the agency discussion and examples like Chamath's
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/21/26 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I typically start at a high level, 20,000', get the bullet points and drill down through individual points of determination, when I'm really interested.
Give an incredibly in-depth explanation in high detail.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 11:47 am to Rainier Fog
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Ain't nobody watching a link your dumbass posts
If you don't watch the entire episode you have only deprived yourself.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 11:48 am to Meauxjeaux
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That’s a summary?
It's a 25-minute discussion that got into some depth....and I made sure it posted quotes (with time stamps).
You could just probably read the quotes for the super sky high summary
Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So true. I see this a lot in Gen Z. It’s amazing to me how totally they have swallowed a nihilistic world view.
Especially when the alternative is to bear your burden properly and to live forthrightly in the world.
The indoctrination is real. Maybe it’s not the nefarious conspiracy people want to make it, but the trends in our education system is at the bottom of this, and it’s dangerous.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:34 pm to LSUnKaty
I'll stand up for Gen Z a bit and say they've been dealt a bad hand and a lot of men in that cohort have no hope on fronts they can't control (like finding romantic partners). The primary issue with the educational system is being steered to focus on female advancement/academic development (which plays a large role in the romantic partner issue).
And this is before we even get into how Gen X parents allowed them to become completely warped and psychologically broken with screens and social media.
Gen Z (and younger) men get some empathy from me.
And this is before we even get into how Gen X parents allowed them to become completely warped and psychologically broken with screens and social media.
Gen Z (and younger) men get some empathy from me.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
No need to defend them—I wasn’t trying to disparage Gen Z. I’m simply describing the situation as I see it in the hope of identifying causes that can be addressed, not to take shots at people who are largely dealing with circumstances they didn’t create.
That’s why I pointed to what I believe may be one of the contributing factors. If we’re going to improve outcomes, we have to be willing to identify and discuss the underlying causes.
The encouraging part is that I think we’re starting to move in a better direction. At least some parents seem to be waking up to these issues and are becoming more willing to push back and advocate for their children.
It may be too late to materially change the trajectory for much of Gen Z, but it could make a meaningful difference for the generations that follow.
That’s why I pointed to what I believe may be one of the contributing factors. If we’re going to improve outcomes, we have to be willing to identify and discuss the underlying causes.
The encouraging part is that I think we’re starting to move in a better direction. At least some parents seem to be waking up to these issues and are becoming more willing to push back and advocate for their children.
It may be too late to materially change the trajectory for much of Gen Z, but it could make a meaningful difference for the generations that follow.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:48 pm to LSUnKaty
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The encouraging part is that I think we’re starting to move in a better direction. At least some parents seem to be waking up to these issues and are becoming more willing to push back and advocate for their children.
I think it's a progression and the parents of the initial social media era just goofed and we're learning lessons, like what we did with lead paint/gas
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