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The FedGov Insider: Reduction in Force (RIF) Rules
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:28 pm
NOTE: The rules apply only if less than an entire agency is being affected. And, again, these are how the rules ARE, not necessarily how you believe they SHOULD BE.
As a general rule, agencies HATE to do RIFs (our term for mass terminations). They will usually find other locations, if possible, to place affected employees. This was the case in my last office, which was closed due to the sale of a company to another, where the financial records were being moved out of state. I was given another position (a GS-13 technical specialist, which is the position I hold now) while the other two supervisors and the 10-12 employees were transferred to other offices.
But when there is a decision to institute a RIF, certain specific rules apply.
FIRST, the agency must decide the "competitive area" affected by a RIF; these are usually defined by metro areas. As an example, let's say our agency has two offices in a metro area (Airport and Downtown), each of which has one GS-14 manager, four GS-13 supervisors, and 20 auditors (one summer intern GS-5, four probationary GS-7s, six who are GS-9 or GS-11 in career-conditional status, and nine career GS-12s). The workload has diminished to where two separate offices can no longer be justified, and the decision is made to close the Downtown office. After offering buyouts and early retirement, no one has left, so a RIF must be instituted. The Downtown Office employees will be affected, but some of them will have "bump and retreat" rights (defined below) which will affect the Airport Office.
SECOND: the agency must define groups and subgroups. At my agency, the two managers, four supervisors, and 40 auditors are separate groups for RIF purposes. The agency must then develop two subgroupings: the first divides career (GS-12) from career-conditional/probationary (GS-7 through GS-11) and term (GS-5), while the second divides veterans with 30%+ disability preference from all other veterans and non-veterans. You end up with nine different combinations among the auditors:
Term/Non-Veteran
Term/Veteran
Term/Veteran w/30%+ preference
Probationary and Career-Conditional/Non-Veteran
Probationary and Career-Conditional/Veteran
Probationary and Career-Conditional/Veteran w/30%+ preference
Career/Non-Veteran
Career/Veteran
Career/Veteran w/30%+ preference
THIRD: the agency must develop a tenure list. This is based on one's Service Computation Date (which is not necessarily the date a person first came on board with FedGov; it is adjusted for any breaks in service).
The tenure list is then adjusted (for RIF purposes only) for the average of the last three years' ratings of each employee. An employee with an average "Outstanding" rating gets 20 years added, one with an average "Exceeds Fully Successful" rating gets 16 years added, and one with an average "Fully Successful" rating gets 12 years added. Employees with average "Minimally Successful" or "Unsuccessful" ratings get no additional years added.
Once that is done, employees are released in order, first by the grouping shown above (in that order), and then within that group based on the adjusted tenure.
Term employees have no rights of "bump and retreat" while the other employees do. (Bump means to displace someone of the same grade, retreat means to displace someone at a lower grade level but no lower than three grade levels below current.) Also, any person with an Unsuccessful rating has no bump/retreat rights, while those at Minimally Successful only have retreat rights to other positions held by employees with that or Unsuccessful ratings.
As such, the GS-14 at Downtown could possibly bump the GS-14 at Airport (or not if the Airport GS-14 is in a higher preference level) or could retreat to a GS-13 or even a GS-12 level. The same goes for the GS-13s; they can bump the other GS-13s or retreat to GS-12.
The Downtown auditors are in a different mix. The GS-7s on probation are out; they can't bump their counterparts at Airport. The remaining auditors, on the other hand, can do so provided they meet the other criteria above.
As a general rule, agencies HATE to do RIFs (our term for mass terminations). They will usually find other locations, if possible, to place affected employees. This was the case in my last office, which was closed due to the sale of a company to another, where the financial records were being moved out of state. I was given another position (a GS-13 technical specialist, which is the position I hold now) while the other two supervisors and the 10-12 employees were transferred to other offices.
But when there is a decision to institute a RIF, certain specific rules apply.
FIRST, the agency must decide the "competitive area" affected by a RIF; these are usually defined by metro areas. As an example, let's say our agency has two offices in a metro area (Airport and Downtown), each of which has one GS-14 manager, four GS-13 supervisors, and 20 auditors (one summer intern GS-5, four probationary GS-7s, six who are GS-9 or GS-11 in career-conditional status, and nine career GS-12s). The workload has diminished to where two separate offices can no longer be justified, and the decision is made to close the Downtown office. After offering buyouts and early retirement, no one has left, so a RIF must be instituted. The Downtown Office employees will be affected, but some of them will have "bump and retreat" rights (defined below) which will affect the Airport Office.
SECOND: the agency must define groups and subgroups. At my agency, the two managers, four supervisors, and 40 auditors are separate groups for RIF purposes. The agency must then develop two subgroupings: the first divides career (GS-12) from career-conditional/probationary (GS-7 through GS-11) and term (GS-5), while the second divides veterans with 30%+ disability preference from all other veterans and non-veterans. You end up with nine different combinations among the auditors:
Term/Non-Veteran
Term/Veteran
Term/Veteran w/30%+ preference
Probationary and Career-Conditional/Non-Veteran
Probationary and Career-Conditional/Veteran
Probationary and Career-Conditional/Veteran w/30%+ preference
Career/Non-Veteran
Career/Veteran
Career/Veteran w/30%+ preference
THIRD: the agency must develop a tenure list. This is based on one's Service Computation Date (which is not necessarily the date a person first came on board with FedGov; it is adjusted for any breaks in service).
The tenure list is then adjusted (for RIF purposes only) for the average of the last three years' ratings of each employee. An employee with an average "Outstanding" rating gets 20 years added, one with an average "Exceeds Fully Successful" rating gets 16 years added, and one with an average "Fully Successful" rating gets 12 years added. Employees with average "Minimally Successful" or "Unsuccessful" ratings get no additional years added.
Once that is done, employees are released in order, first by the grouping shown above (in that order), and then within that group based on the adjusted tenure.
Term employees have no rights of "bump and retreat" while the other employees do. (Bump means to displace someone of the same grade, retreat means to displace someone at a lower grade level but no lower than three grade levels below current.) Also, any person with an Unsuccessful rating has no bump/retreat rights, while those at Minimally Successful only have retreat rights to other positions held by employees with that or Unsuccessful ratings.
As such, the GS-14 at Downtown could possibly bump the GS-14 at Airport (or not if the Airport GS-14 is in a higher preference level) or could retreat to a GS-13 or even a GS-12 level. The same goes for the GS-13s; they can bump the other GS-13s or retreat to GS-12.
The Downtown auditors are in a different mix. The GS-7s on probation are out; they can't bump their counterparts at Airport. The remaining auditors, on the other hand, can do so provided they meet the other criteria above.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:30 pm to Quidam65
Great information, thanks!
Question; what has to happen for these rules to change?
Can POTUS change them?
Would it take an act of Congress?
Question; what has to happen for these rules to change?
Can POTUS change them?
Would it take an act of Congress?
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:32 pm to dcbl
quote:
Would it take an act of Congress?
Acts of congress for most agencies
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:34 pm to dcbl
Wait, wait, wait, back up, back way up.
WTF is this "rules" nonsense you speak of. There are laws, and there are decisions by the executive branch, there are no "rules", which is nomenclature for employment security for the blob.
WTF is this "rules" nonsense you speak of. There are laws, and there are decisions by the executive branch, there are no "rules", which is nomenclature for employment security for the blob.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:39 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
WTF is this "rules" nonsense you speak of. There are laws, and there are decisions by the executive branch, there are no "rules", which is nomenclature for employment security for the blob.
There are laws (statutes) made by the legislative branch, and then there are regulations made by the executive branch, which (in theory anyhow) attempt to implement the laws.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:39 pm to trinidadtiger
OP posted these as rules, hence my question
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:21 pm to Quidam65
It’s wonderful to see these people with govt jobs who never get fired. Meanwhile, I’ve been laid off 5 times in my career. Tough to plan a retirement when reality is constantly in my face.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:33 pm to Quidam65
Which agency are you exactly in?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:07 pm to TigerB8
quote:
It’s wonderful to see these people with govt jobs who never get fired. Meanwhile, I’ve been laid off 5 times in my career. Tough to plan a retirement when reality is constantly in my face.
Then find a government job. I did. I worked 16 years in the oil and gas industry but was laid off due to Obama's regulations. I was getting pretty desperate until i found my current job.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:04 pm to Quidam65
Fed employee here. I've been RIF'd twice and survived both. I remember the 1st one that went down. This guy sweet talked his buddy supervisor into giving him an 5 on his yearly review. Somehow it got through. When it came layoff time he transferred to another site while a guy who had 4 more years of time than him went to the house.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:42 pm to vodkacop
quote:
Then find a government job.
I’ve been trying. A buddy who’s former Air Force went into IT and he’s good for life. He recommended to me as well, and I can’t even get a “get lost”. Nothing. I’ve applied for a fair amount but no call back. I was over qualified for a sub contract job through the GSA, but left because I wasn’t doing anything that was in my resume.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:17 am to vodkacop
8 years in the cutthroat oil and gas industry. Laid off two times. Went to specific class to get on the government, which I did. One thing I noticed about the anti-government people like most of the posters here. They jelly. I have no problem going back to private sector. I adapt with no issue. I can play the game. Seems like most of the red neck hillybilly posters are mad cuz they’re stuck at their trailer trash homes and dead-end dog food manufacturing companies.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:09 am to vodkacop
quote:
Then find a government job. I did. I worked 16 years in the oil and gas industry but was laid off due to Obama's regulations.
Become part of the problem. Great solution you have. Let's all suck at the government teat. It's what the democrats want.
Obama screwed you so you went to work for him. Makes sense.
Do you even hear yourself? You are telling people to work for the government so they have job security. That is everything antithetical to conservative beliefs. Increase government bloat with employees that can't be fired. How awesome will our economy be when we all work for the government producing nothing.
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