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re: The domino theory re: Putins invasion of Ukraine
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Ignoring the fact that Maidan was an organic reaction
lol
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:57 pm to AGGIES
Those are salient points but with one caveat...
Present day Russia is not Germany in the 1930s. And they certainly are not the Soviet Union pre 1989.
Even if his "intentions" were to annex all former republics, they simple do not have the geopolitical will or military might to do that.
I understand the historical context. But isn't Russia a completely different animal today?
Present day Russia is not Germany in the 1930s. And they certainly are not the Soviet Union pre 1989.
Even if his "intentions" were to annex all former republics, they simple do not have the geopolitical will or military might to do that.
I understand the historical context. But isn't Russia a completely different animal today?
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:59 pm to LuckyTiger
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lol
How did the US/West/EU convince Yanukovych to thwart EU integration in November of 2013?
Posted on 2/28/25 at 6:00 pm to Vandergriff
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I understand the historical context. But isn't Russia a completely different animal today?
Possibly. But Europe is sensitive to their situation.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 6:02 pm to Vandergriff
For whatever his reasons, I think Putin is driven by "getting the gang back together". And that means, bit by bit, pushing border issues with former Soviet nations like Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania (the Baltic states).
Moldova, and Georgia could be vulnerable due to their historical ties with Russia and their strategic locations. Additionally, countries like Belarus and Kazakhstan have complex relationships with Russia, which could also influence their stability.
I spent time in Romania. Their biggest fear is Russia taking over Moldova first, then invading their country. It's a real fear to them.
Moldova, and Georgia could be vulnerable due to their historical ties with Russia and their strategic locations. Additionally, countries like Belarus and Kazakhstan have complex relationships with Russia, which could also influence their stability.
I spent time in Romania. Their biggest fear is Russia taking over Moldova first, then invading their country. It's a real fear to them.
This post was edited on 2/28/25 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 2/28/25 at 6:07 pm to Nole Man
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Their biggest fear is Russia taking over Moldova first, then invading their country. It's a real fear to them.
Transnistria
What's behind Transnistria's call for Russian 'protection'?
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In the most recent escalation of tensions, officials in the Pro-Kremlin separatist region have formally requested Russia's protection against perceived threats from the Moldovan government. They have urged the Kremlin to shield the region from "increasing pressure" from Moldova, alleging that Moldova is "damaging the economy" and "violating human rights and freedoms in Transnistria."
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But the congress only passed a resolution urging Russia to provide greater "protection" to the 220,000 Russian nationals in Transnistria from "increasing pressure" from Moldova, which they allege is "damaging the economy" and "violating human rights and freedoms in Transnistria."
WHERE have we seen this exact same pattern before?
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Despite Russian being the official language of Transnistria, ethnic Russians do not comprise the majority of the region's population, which boasts a diverse ethnic makeup. According to a 2015 census conducted by the de facto government, around 30% of the enclave's 470,000 residents identify as Russian, while approximately 29% identify as Moldovan and 23% as Ukrainian. Additionally, a significant number of residents hold dual or triple citizenship from Moldova, Russia or Ukraine.
Even the "Russia is the national language" meme
Putin is really big on making sure Russia is the national language in the areas he runs ops claiming "ethnic Russians" are being oppressed/attacked, for some reason.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 6:07 pm to Vandergriff
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I understand the historical context. But isn't Russia a completely different animal today?
If you asked this question 20 years ago, I'd say yes, but Russia of the past 15 years has been going back toward the soviet way of doing things compared to the democratic way.
I mean, they did recently it's well documented that Putin either jails or kills all of his credible rivals, which is what helps him to win 90% of the vote in elections, and they have removed all term limits so he can continue "winning". These days, they also throw you in jail, heck they threw a guy in jail because his daughter drew a "no to war" picture.
LINK
Posted on 2/28/25 at 8:11 pm to aero1126
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If you asked this question 20 years ago, I'd say yes, but Russia of the past 15 years has been going back toward the soviet way of doing things compared to the democratic way.
I would say it's more imperial Russia.
They were the original expander, they swallowed Finland, the Baltic region and eastern Poland.
I would say if there is a power vacuum Putin will look into exploiting it.
But NATO has no power vacuum unless the EU bastards keep attacking Trump.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 8:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression?
Ask Georgia and Estonia. Ukraine isn't the first country since 2008 to feel this from Russia
Your doing that thing again....... when u open ur mouth and shite falls out.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 8:15 pm to lake chuck fan
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But isn't Russia a completely different animal today?
Fundamentally? No.
Economically, militarily, socially? Sure.
The problem though, is the timeless Russian strategic mindset and problem. To feel secure they have to essentially exercise control of populations of non Russians about twice as large as their own population. That strategic calculus hasn't changed, because they haven't accepted that NATO is a peaceful neighbor. If they had, the problem becomes much smaller, much more manageable, and requires loads less confrontation with the near abroad.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 8:16 pm to LuckyTiger
He's fricking retarded on this subject.
This post was edited on 2/28/25 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:23 pm to Vandergriff
This whole thing started because EU and Biden/Obama kept pushing for Ukraine to become a NATO member.
Probably no invasion without this provocation.
Probably no invasion without this provocation.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:53 pm to Bunk Moreland
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He's fricking retarded on this subject.
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Obama (et al) orchestrates a coup, to...what? Install a Western puppet that does what? Immediately cede Crimea because the West won't get involved, only to be ousted by a non-puppet in Zelensky a few years later (2019)?
Make it make sense what the plan was, especially since you also have to explain why the West/EU caused Yanukovych to thwart EU integration with Ukraine.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:54 pm to lake chuck fan
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Your doing that thing again....... when u open ur mouth and shite falls out.
By showing prior examples of this behavior by Russia which is a form of the Domino Theory, answering a question asked about OP and the Domino Theory and Russia?
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