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re: The “died suddenly!” crowd is doing a disservice to everyone who wants to fight the vax
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:58 pm to flyAU
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:58 pm to flyAU
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We have reached the trough of the wave and those that I fought along with about the vaccines and mandates are now the mirror image of those who pushed the Covid deaths.
This is not true.
Covidians used their lies and distortions to crater the economy, restrict everybody from living a normal life and did everything possible to ostracize those that actually had science on their side.
Anti-vaxxers just flick shite and seek retribution verbally. Nobody is trying to put the vaccinated in camps, keep them off airplanes or out of their offices/businesses.
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Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:59 pm to LSUAngelHere1
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:03 pm to LSUAngelHere1
quote:Let's set aside vax effectiveness for a moment, because it's now questionable. However, you do understand that CV19 itself is more "dangerous" or "scary" than the vax, right?
If you or someone you love is jabbed, you should be scared unless you have sub 70 IQ.
If someone "should be scared" d/t vax exposure, they should be nearly incapacitated with fear over catching CV19. Are you incapacitated with fear?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:07 pm to AggieHank86
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Sky-Screamers, just wearing a different team jersey.
I must have missed where the "different team sky screamers" called for the vaccinated to be ostracized, stripped of their jobs and jailed.
Wanna show me what I missed?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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Let's set aside vax effectiveness for a moment, because it's now questionable. However, you do understand that CV19 itself is more "dangerous" or "scary" than the vax, right? If someone "should be scared" d/t vax exposure, they should be nearly incapacitated with fear over catching CV19. Are you incapacitated with fear?
GTFOH…. Anyone with a brain knows the reason people died from covid itself were murdered by the govt/medical industry with Remdesiver & vents while withholding IVM & HCQ.
I bought several cases bf the rush ever began to find these miracle drugs. So hell no I’m not afraid of Covid bc I take IVM 1x/weekly to as a preventative.
And I didn’t nuke my immune system with a social experiment injection.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:13 pm to bayoucracka
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Another young one today. Probably not thread-worthy.
Then they’ll try to ridicule you with lies of googling sudden deaths so that you will stop exposing the truth.
I think I googled died suddenly the one time I searched for the movie to watch so frick all of you who peddle this lie. We wont shut up no matter how often you RA and try to censor us.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:24 pm to NC_Tigah
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Let's set aside vax effectiveness for a moment, because it's now questionable. However, you do understand that CV19 itself is more "dangerous" or "scary" than the vax, right? If someone "should be scared" d/t vax exposure, they should be nearly incapacitated with fear over catching CV19. Are you incapacitated with fear?
Doesn’t this depend on the person? Here’s a question-
You’re a healthy/fit and active 35 yo with zero medical issues, known or unknown. What’s the bigger health risk - the virus or the vaccine + boosters?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:26 pm to LSUAngelHere1
quote:Yes, but I was going to avoid insulting you that way.
GTFOH…. Anyone with a brain knows the reason people died
E.g., You started a thread about "A 16-year-old student died Thursday during a flag football game." Remember? That was another of your "obvious" vax deaths. Remember?
Well, it turns out the autopsy demonstrated dangerously anomalous coronary anatomy ( LINK), not vax myocarditis. Her situation was similar to the problem that killed Pete Maravich. The girl's coronary structure couldn't adequately perfuse her heart. The problem was not recognized until her collapse.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:05 am to flyAU
Shut your mouth
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:09 am to flyAU
There is no reason to "fight the vax" and there never was. The only thing that was worth fighting against was vaccine mandates.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:39 am to David_DJS
quote:Again, setting aside vax effectiveness, let's take two hypothetical groups of "healthy/fit and active 35-yr olds," one group with CV19 infection, the other with the vaccine + boosters.
What’s the bigger health risk - the virus or the vaccine + boosters?
In that scenario, the infected group would be at far higher risk for virtually every complication.
Why?
Because the culprit of concern with the vax is the SARS-CoV-2 S-Protein fragment, or "spike protein." But an actual CV19 infection produces exceedingly higher s-protein loads, and does so over a far less controlled distribution. So the risk of problems such as cardiomyopathy is absolutely higher following an actual infection.
Given the pretext of setting aside vax effectiveness, there is no question the risk of infection is higher. No question whatsoever. Not close. Not debatable.
HOWEVER ... that is all hypothetical.
The reality is CV19 vax effectiveness is not a given, and receiving it is a choice. CV19 infection is not a choice. Meaning if one opts not to vax, and is never exposed to CV19, obviously s-protein exposure and related damage is a non sequitur.
Further, even double boosted, the CV19 vax is less protective at this stage than it was originally, so the chance of both vax and infection exposure is relevant.
So while the hypothetical is clear cut, reality is far less so. Hence the debate.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:40 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:47 am to flyAU
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We now know it was a lie and each death was labeled and used for a hardline purpose.
frick off with this we shite.
I called bullshite on the numbers in EARLY 2020.
I was shouted down at every opportunity.
“Trust the science!”
As for the “vaccines,” ANYONE with ANY semblance of common sense should have known better.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:50 am to flyAU
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At least with the 18 yr old that most likely killed herself was RA’d by Stout since he realized there was more evidence of that than anything vax related
It does beg the question of whether the lockdowns (and likely utter destruction of her junior and senior years in high school) played any role. Not necessarily vax related, but quite possibly covid-response related.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:58 am to NC_Tigah
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Again, setting aside vax effectiveness, let's take two hypothetical groups of "healthy/fit and active 35-yr olds," one group with CV19 infection, the other with the vaccine + boosters. In that scenario, the infected group would be at far higher risk for virtually every complication. Why? Because the culprit of concern with the vax is the SARS-CoV-2 S-Protein fragment, or "spike protein." But an actual CV19 infection produces exceedingly higher s-protein loads, and does so over a far less controlled distribution. So the risk of problems such as cardiomyopathy is absolutely higher following an actual infection.
Initially, yes.
That being said, the NIH produced a study which found that those that had Covid (admittedly, worse off in the beginning with higher chances of heart related issues) saw those spike proteins stop being produced as the process of natural immunity kicked in.
Ditto the J&J vaccine.
However, it seems as though the mRNA based vaccines are not shutting off the production of the spike proteins. Additionally, the supposed “restricted to to injection site” doesn’t seem to be the case at all. In short, spike protein “factories” are evidently setting up shop in various portions of the body (even crossing the blood / brain barrier).
This is not my field of expertise by any means, but if what is being reported is the case, that doesn’t sound good.
Lastly, I would imagine that the location where these “factories” set up shop would have an impact on when adverse health conditions would present themselves. The heart seems like a place that would show issues before other areas.
My take could be totally wrong, but until I’m proven wrong, I’m pretty confident that something is amiss, and we have yet to see how impactful these “potential” issues may be.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:08 am to Powerman
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There is no reason to "fight the vax" and there never was.
Tell me about any long term (3-5 year at a minimum) effects.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:29 am to jimmy the leg
quote:It isn't.
but if what is being reported is the case
mRNA has a definitively limited lifespan. Further the mRNA protein synthesis in CV19 infection and vaccination is such that if "shut off" was an issue, it would be similarly so for infection.
Regarding "location where these “factories” set up shop," there are a couple potential factors. Vaccine "spillover" i.e., most stays in place, but some is carried off in the bloodstream before it is taken up locally, and inadvertent intravascular injection. Both can occur, and lead to extradeltoid "factories." In a CV19 infection, that is a 100% occurrence though.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:32 am to flyAU
It’s 2023. We’ve been pointing out the strange athlete collapsing since 2021.
Y’all are late to the party to be saying shite like this.
Y’all are late to the party to be saying shite like this.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:38 am to udtiger
quote:There really is not a question. e.g., In 2021, hospital admissions for teenage girls who attempted suicide increased 50% nationwide.
It does beg the question of whether the lockdowns (and likely utter destruction of her junior and senior years in high school) played any role.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:38 am to NC_Tigah
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HOWEVER ... that is all hypothetical.
I appreciate your response and it's consistent with most of what's out there, however, it seems to me that we should have some illuminating data by now. I don't understand why there's such a dearth of credible information contrasting the vaxxed/unvaxxed nearly two years after the vaccines became available and three years after China gifted the virus. Also, why isn't there clear/decisive data on the not old/healthy sudden deaths, either they're spiking or they're not.
I'm not following "Covid/response" as closely as I did '20/'21, but I read a report (linked on PT) on data from Israel that seemed to be pretty credible and suggested that the vaccines were driving a spike in cardiac events for under-40's. Have you seen that, and if so - what was your top-line takeaway?
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:52 am to David_DJS
quote:There is a lot of evidence out there. I've posted this several times. Clicking any of the images below will take you to articles/links dealing with post-vax myocarditis. But the collection gives you some sense as to increasing evidence. It's far greater than just the early Israeli work.
vaccines were driving a spike in cardiac events for under-40's.
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