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re: The destroyed Russian tank is the foremost symbol of modern warfare
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:11 am to sugar71
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:11 am to sugar71
While both may be morally repugnant and irresponsible, Russia attempting a land grab of Russian speaking territory makes more sense than US attempting regime change and nation building of a primitive feudal fundamentalist Islamic graveyard for 20 years.
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:23 am to sugar71
Have either the T-90 or the Armata moved to more effective ammo handing, storage, fire control and sighting systems? The T-72 was originally designed in the 60s. Wondering how the newer Russia tanks compare to the most advanced western tanks.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:47 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Russia has palpably avoided that
A kinder and gentler Putin
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:55 am to Tigers2010a
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Have either the T-90 or the Armata moved to more effective ammo handing, storage, fire control and sighting systems? The T-72 was originally designed in the 60s. Wondering how the newer Russia tanks compare to the most advanced western tanks.
The T-90, like the T-80 before it, is really just an updated version of the T-72. They all have the same armor, same auto-loader. Both the T-80 and T-90 has been used in Ukraine. And both have shown to be the same death trap as the T-72.
The Armata is really the first truly new Russian tank design since the 1960s. But they have very few of these. I’ve heard rumor a small handful have been deployed to Ukraine. That’s all I can really say.
The bottom line is the Russians have taken crippling tank losses in Ukraine. This is proven by the fact they’re now pulling the ancient T-62 out of mothballs and sending them to the front where they will be slaughtered.
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The T-62 was first introduced in 1961 and is really just an updated version of the T-55 that dates from 1947. For reference, when the T-55 was first introduced, we were still using the M4A3E8 Sherman.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:15 am to Darth_Vader
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The Russian army has not changed in the past 150 years from a readiness and Stradegy standpoint. They’ve always been poorly equipped and poorly trained. We’re seeing the same thing play out again that’s played out over and over in every previous war Russia has fought since the days of the Czars
I really don’t think it’s that. They don’t want to destroy buildings, especially historical ones, that they would soon own. Destroying cities is just bad business. They are clearly not trying to kill as many people as possible to their own demise. Everything on the ground actually supports this if you ignore the hysterical and ridiculous western propaganda. They are slowly weaving their way from town to town, which has thousands upon thousands removing their military after the initial aerial bombardment of military and communication facilities (not ones that effect civilians though). Their people are in the east and south where most of the population is. The voting record over many years proves that. So, the plan clearly is to free these people from the poison and violence the west has been inflicting them with while gaining 80 plus percent of the resources and control of the Black Sea. I don’t think they care about Kiev other than removing their leadership. This ground war doesn’t require their best equipment either. It actually turns out looking like what Putin called it: a military operation. I mean, we have leaders freely flying into west Ukraine walking through the streets all smiles
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:21 am to sugar71
The Afghanistan “soldiers” had basic weapons. They basically had to hide. Bragging about taking 20 years to clean that country out is embarrassing. I’m positive we could have, but they simply didn’t want to. They left the end goal intentionally ambiguous, just like Vietnam, so we could stay there a continue to fund the MIC
And honestly, without western help with weapons and military contractors from Europe and the US helping organize and continue to provide massive intel, the full eastern portion of UKRAINE (split in half) would have been taken
And honestly, without western help with weapons and military contractors from Europe and the US helping organize and continue to provide massive intel, the full eastern portion of UKRAINE (split in half) would have been taken
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:22 am to xxTIMMYxx
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xxTIMMYxx
Look, no offense. But I’ve studied the Russin army for over 40 years. And I do mean deep study, both as an avid historian and as a soldier. And when it comes to this war, I don’t base any judgments on being a “fan” of one side or the other. It doesn’t affect me one way or the other which side wins.
Having said all that, don’t think for a minute the Russians are making efforts to not damage infrastructure or kill civilians. Those concepts do not exist in Russian mentality or military doctrine. Again, I’m not saying this to “defend” or take the side of Ukraine. I’m only telling you unbiased facts.
And from this unbiased and well read observer, I can clearly see the war isn’t going Russia’s way. They’re making advancements, but they’re taking crippling losses in the process. I’m not saying they’re going to lose, especially when you consider Russia historically is willing to take crippling losses. But the slowness in their advance isn’t from humanitarian concerns. That’s as blatant propaganda as what the Ukrainians are doing.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:25 am to Darth_Vader
I’ve seen little evidence of it. This isn’t the past. The whole world is watching and they are trying to win people over. All the actions on the ground support this. More of their soldiers are dying because of this relatively surgical approach
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:30 am to xxTIMMYxx
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I’ve seen little evidence of it. This isn’t the past. The whole world is watching and they are trying to win people over. All the actions on the ground support this. More of their soldiers are dying because of this relatively surgical approach
I have seen evidence of it. There are some really good Instagram accounts that post unbiased evidence of what both sides are doing. No ons hands are clean in this war, which is always true of virtually every war. I know you don’t want to be fooled into falling for Ukrainian propaganda. That’s understandable. But likewise, don’t fall for Russian propaganda either.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:31 am to xxTIMMYxx
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CFR
By their [rotten] fruits shall ye know them:
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:32 am to xxTIMMYxx
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I’ve seen little evidence of it. This isn’t the past. The whole world is watching and they are trying to win people over. All the actions on the ground support this. More of their soldiers are dying because of this relatively surgical approach
Dude....you are seriously delusional if you think this. They have carpet bombed cities and civilian areas with what are basically WMD, they have executed civilians, and have rained down death and destruction on a war they started unilaterally.....and spare the Putin fighting the NWO talking points.
You should really delete that post.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:44 am to Darth_Vader
Apparently have projected 122 Armata available in 2022. Very advanced design. I guess time will tell whether it can meet expectations.
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The T-14 Armata has been described as a major concern for Western armies,[80][81] and British intelligence views the unmanned turret as providing many advantages.[81] Western observers, however, question Russia's ability to purchase modern tanks like the T-90 and T-14 in significant numbers.[82][83] In response to the Armata, German Rheinmetall AG has developed a new 130mm L/51 tank gun, claiming it provides a 50 percent increase in armor penetration over the 120mm L/55 in service with the Bundeswehr. Germany and France have joined forces to develop an unspecified "Main Ground Combat System" (MGCS) to compete with the technological advances of the Armata and replace both the Leclerc and Leopard 2 MBTs around 2030.[11][84]
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This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:46 am to LuckyTiger
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While both may be morally repugnant and irresponsible, Russia attempting a land grab of Russian speaking territory makes more sense than US attempting regime change and nation building of a primitive feudal fundamentalist Islamic graveyard for 20 years.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:21 am to Tigers2010a
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Apparently have projected 122 Armata available in 2022. Very advanced design. I guess time will tell whether it can meet expectations.
122 is only enough to equip about one tank brigade. That’s nothing on a war of this scale.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:52 am to Darth_Vader
If they meet expectations, they might be an excellent spearpoint. Sort of like the Tiger in WW2. Clearly the Armata should be far superior to the Ukr T-64 and has advanced defensive systems for missile defense. Although I doubt they will be available for use in this war. I suspect it will be over before the Russians have an Armata brigade operational.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:37 pm to 14&Counting
The only evidence of executions are from the Ukrainian side
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:45 pm to 14&Counting
quote:xxTimmyxx is the biggest Putin ball licker on this board, which has more than a few.
Dude....you are seriously delusional if you think this. They have carpet bombed cities and civilian areas with what are basically WMD, they have executed civilians, and have rained down death and destruction on a war they started unilaterally.....and spare the Putin fighting the NWO talking points.
You should really delete that post.
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