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Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:11 pm to Smart Post
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You poor thing. You want national policy crafted to fit your personal desires.
Well, I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who thinks this way.
You don’t want your desires to play out in policy? You ever vote? It’s called America. So, yeah, I actually want my desires to play out in policy. You probably do too. If they don’t, I accept it and move on. That’s life.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:11 pm to AlaTiger
Again, if you want the citizenship and "don't care" about the other stuff, then why aren't you blaming the Dmocrats?
Your Dreamer buddies are blaming Dmocrats now, did you get the memo?
Your Dreamer buddies are blaming Dmocrats now, did you get the memo?
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:13 pm to AlaTiger
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I understand the situation. I believe in borders and national sovereignty. I’m against illegal immigration and for strong borders. These people are already here. I don’t think they should be deported and think they should be given a chance to stay and become full Americans if they meet qualifications, work, contribute, pay taxes, etc.
You are ostensibly against illegal immigration but are hellbent on subsidizing it. What happens to something when you subsidize it? What happens to something when you tax it? Does it not follow that if there are consequences to immigrating here illegally we will get less of it? Does it not similarly follow that if we provide rewards for illegally immigrating here, we will get more of it? You cannot be against illegal immigration and for rewarding its fruits. It is logically indefensible and mutually exclusive.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:14 pm to CAD703X
Democrats have done the same for blacks
Democrats announce the problem and present themselves as the savior for somebody or some cause then continue to just make the problem worse. And they make it so bab that people keep coming back to them to fix their problems
Damest I’ve ever seen
Just go republican and work your arse off for whatever you want and you’ll eventually get it!
Democrats announce the problem and present themselves as the savior for somebody or some cause then continue to just make the problem worse. And they make it so bab that people keep coming back to them to fix their problems
Damest I’ve ever seen
Just go republican and work your arse off for whatever you want and you’ll eventually get it!
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:14 pm to CAD703X
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“If you won’t let us dream!” protesters chanted. “We won’t let you sleep!”
Not bad.Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:18 pm to AlaTiger
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Of course I understand he is not a citizen.
Well you seem to have had some confusion regarding citizenship, visas, and deportation as you stated that it was not a concession to give them citizenship.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:18 pm to therick711
I’m not for rewarding anything. I am for dealing with the situation as it is, not how we wish it would be.
I wish that no one would have come here illegally. But, it happened. I have sympathy on those brought here as kids who grew up here and are trying to do right with the only life they have. I don’t that position makes me a Democrat or a liberal.
You want to deport them all. Okay. Get on with it. My friend is from an Country with drug cartels. When people get sent back there, they are often targeted. I think that is cruel and unusual punishment when he didn’t choose to come here and has been law abiding and worked hard here.
I wish that no one would have come here illegally. But, it happened. I have sympathy on those brought here as kids who grew up here and are trying to do right with the only life they have. I don’t that position makes me a Democrat or a liberal.
You want to deport them all. Okay. Get on with it. My friend is from an Country with drug cartels. When people get sent back there, they are often targeted. I think that is cruel and unusual punishment when he didn’t choose to come here and has been law abiding and worked hard here.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:20 pm to AlaTiger
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I’m not for rewarding anything. I am for dealing with the situation as it is, not how we wish it would be.
False. That is rewarding while trying to shirk responsibility for rewarding. When we enacted DACA by executive fiat, what was the immediate result. Go look at unaccompanied minor crossings. It's rewarding.
The only way to stop it from happening in the future is to impose penalties on doing it. Rewarding it will just make us have to deal with the next batch of "would that it were that they didn't come, but alas they are heres" that your logic would undoubtedly apply to.
As to your emotional appeal, our immigration policy doesn't exist to impose feel good benefits on people who believe they will be targeted or whatever. If that is indeed true, while tragic, that person should blame his parents, not the country where he is currently breaking the law.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:20 pm to Adam Banks
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Well you seem to have had some confusion regarding citizenship, visas, and deportation as you stated that it was not a concession to give them citizenship.
We don’t have groups of people permanently here legally who are barred from progressing to citizenship if they want it and meet qualifications. So, no, I don’t think we should create a new category for them that keeps them less than. That is what influenced me in my thinking.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:22 pm to therick711
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impose penalties
What penalties?
Deportation?
Like I said. Go ahead and deport all of the Dreamers then. Let that be what the GOP is. Go for it. I think it’s insane, but if you require that to fulfill your principle, go ahead.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:23 pm to AlaTiger
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We don’t have groups of people permanently here legally who are barred from progressing to citizenship if they want it and meet qualifications. So, no, I don’t think we should create a new category for them that keeps them less than. That is what influenced me in my thinking.
I actually agree with this. I think we should deport them, and they should get in line with everyone else. I also think that their status as one deported should weigh heavily on any re-admission decision.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:23 pm to AlaTiger
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You want to deport them all. Okay. Get on with it. My friend is from an Country with drug cartels. When people get sent back there, they are often targeted. I think that is cruel and unusual punishment when he didn’t choose to come here and has been law abiding and worked hard here.
Negotiating with liberals is like negotiating with terrorists. You have a hostage population and deal only with absolutes.
Trump gives a massive concession with the expectation that liberals make a concession to ensure that his concession isn’t necessary again in the future. What is the response? Not well we don’t want the wall so let’s take it down to only daca recipients. Not well the merit based system is a little far so let’s give them a legal status. It’s you give them all citizenship and give up all your requests or you are sending a pre Med student to execution by drug lords.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:26 pm to Adam Banks
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It’s you give them all citizenship and give up all your requests or you are sending a pre Med student to execution by drug lords.
They are all pre-med. They are all national merit finalists. They are all the world's greatest. Not a bad one in the entire bunch. We're totally going to miss out.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:27 pm to AlaTiger
Your Dreamer buddies must be nervous as hell.
Will they (and you) shite your pants at midnight, March 6?
Will they (and you) shite your pants at midnight, March 6?
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:38 pm to therick711
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They are all pre-med. They are all national merit finalists. They are all the world's greatest. Not a bad one in the entire bunch. We're totally going to miss out.
Yep we are told they are all well educated top of their class and leaders in their communities (and some may be) yet we are to believe that their countries of origin are so bad that they can’t even be influenced by the tip top of our society. But heaven forbid if someone calls them shitholes.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:41 pm to Adam Banks
I didn’t say he was pre med. I didn’t say any of that. I said he was my friend.
You are an arse, though.
Okay. You win. You’ve made me not want to argue with you anymore. It’s pointless. Enjoy the day. Life is too short for this.
You are an arse, though.
Okay. You win. You’ve made me not want to argue with you anymore. It’s pointless. Enjoy the day. Life is too short for this.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:45 pm to AlaTiger
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cobble together a coalition with GOPe and the NeverTrumps
English, motherfricker, do you speak it?
So you're saying the Congressional GOP has seen the same polls (80% support) as the Dems and refuse to do anything? Yeah, sure...
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:50 pm to AlaTiger
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m not for rewarding anything. I am for dealing with the situation as it is, not how we wish it would be. I wish that no one would have come here illegally. But, it happened. I have sympathy on those brought here as kids who grew up here and are trying to do right with the only life they have. I don’t that position makes me a Democrat or a liberal. You want to deport them all. Okay. Get on with it. My friend is from an Country with drug cartels. When people get sent back there, they are often targeted. I think that is cruel and unusual punishment when he didn’t choose to come here and has been law abiding and worked hard here.
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You are an arse
I’m the arse?
You are the one who made the implication that you’re side is “working for solutions” but anyone with an alternative is wanting to “deport everyone to countries ran by drug lords”
IOW you make anyone who isn’t for unfettered immigration and wanting to make some hard and fast rules to have blood on their hands unless they give in to your demands. Most people would call implying that people want to send people to get murdered being an arse That is completely unreasonable and has to be called out when it happens.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 3/5/18 at 4:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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give this man his wall
Thats the hiccup the Demons want DACA but no wall,
Illegals are waking up to fact that Demons are all talk and no do
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