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The Deep State is wholly triumphant. What now? A libertarian answers:
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:17 am
I offer one quibble with the following analysis by Jeff Deist: for all of Trump’s many failures, creating 50+/- million enemies of the State is a damn good legacy. So in that sense, I’d argue Trump has been a transformative President. Yet I agree with Deist’s overall assess that Trump’s presidency was but a speed-bump for the inevitable triumph of the corporatized Deep State. So now what?
Jeff Deist of the Mises Institute On What To Expect Under The Biden/Harris Regime....
Paraphrasing the late Murray Rothbard, the "two party" system in America during the twentieth century worked something like this: Democrats engineered the Great Leaps Forward, and Republicans consolidated the gains. Wilson, Roosevelt, and Johnson were the transformative presidents; Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan offered only rhetoric and weak tea compromises. In politics, being for something always beats being against something, and Republicans were never much against expanding federal power provided they had a place at the trough.
...Today, despite all his bluster and the Left's absolute derangement toward him, Donald Trump leaves office as a caretaker president. His real record, not his rhetoric and Twitter persona, will prove to be astonishingly in keeping with the DC status quo. His America First talk on jobs and trade, his schizophrenic foreign policy, his actual actions with respect to immigration policy, and even his vaunted tax cuts were not all that different in substance than anything Hillary Clinton might have done. Trump's difference was tone, not substance, but along with his outsider status that was enough to earn him the vicious enmity of the Swamp.
We have essentially endured a four-year national paroxysm over nothing, and for nothing. Think about that. All of this hate and division was not rooted in "policy" whatsoever, but in the political class's hatred and contempt for even purely rhetorical challenges to its power.
So what will the Biden/Harris administration do?
For starters, they will assume only cowed opposition from the Mitch McConnell GOP. As Trump departs, national Republicans are eager and relieved to return to their role as the polite warmonger loser caucus. The party looks to wash away any vestiges of Trumpism and embrace the leadership of atavistic figures like Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley. But Joe Biden and Kamala Harris clearly smell blood after recent events at the US Capitol and their Senate victories in Georgia, looking to fully repudiate Trump and hang the GOP in the process.
More importantly, they are under tremendous pressure from their left progressive flank, having relied on Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren supporters while championing Antifa, BLM, and LGBT causes as centerpieces of their campaign.
Therefore we should expect a muscular progressive agenda advanced by Biden, some of it in the first hundred days via executive orders of dubious legality. We should expect national covid mandates and lockdowns, aggressive climate change regulations, Medicare-for-All legislation, student loan forgiveness, and a host of federal rules perversely focused on race, gender, and sexuality in government, schools, workplaces, and corporate boardrooms. Amnesty for immigrants will be front and center, along with DC and Puerto Rican statehood. Supreme Court packing will be a particularly contentious topic, as many Democrats think two Trump appointees are illegitimate and conservatives in the Senate see the judicial branch as the last bulwark against the Left.
As for taxes, the word is UP. They're going up. But despite his campaign promises, one suspects the Biden administration will slow play any capital gains tax hikes. An awful lot of blue state Americans enjoyed big stock market gains in 2020, and this may temper their enthusiasm for overcoming wealth inequality. Also telling will be whether Biden in fact pushes to change the particular tax rules for private equity firms known as "carried interest." And he will rush to restore the full deductibility of state income taxes, which the Trump tax bill limited, injuring wealthy taxpayers in high-tax blue states. After all, he knows his base.
Kamala Harris is the wildcard in this story. Has any US president in modern history been elected with the widespread expectation he would not complete his term in office? Not only will Mr. Biden be the oldest chief executive elected, but he clearly shows signs of cognitive decline and often stumbles to find words—as one would expect of a man his age. Harris's presidential campaign raised an uninspiring $40 million, more than half of which came from wealthy donors. She failed to generate excitement both in polls and at the ballot box, underperforming with her party's left flank and failing to win a single Democratic delegate or primary. Virtually no Democrats voted for her to become president.
By virtue of her age and status as a "person of color," Harris certainly leans left of her boss. He is the old war-horse for corporate Delaware; she is the youngish hip senator from progressive California. But if Joe Biden dies or steps down—both reasonably possible over the next four years—Harris surely becomes a transformative figure.
Either way, the Biden administration inherits a political landscape wildly favorable to it. Politicians, journalists, CEOs, and people of all political stripes (including libertarians) celebrate the deplatforming and unpersoning of Trump, making clear their contempt for and desire to punish his supporters.
Democratic socialists now discover their love of discrimination by "private companies," supporting Deep Tech purges of recalcitrant voices or anyone who dares question election legitimacy. Alternative social media site Parler takes "build your own platform" to heart, only to be excluded by Android and Apple app stores and kicked off its Amazon web hosting.
BLM/Antifa activists who spent the summer burning buildings and calling for city police departments to disband sound like Nixonian champions of law and order when it comes to the halls of Congress. And left progressives learn to "love the bomb" as they cheer the military occupation of DC with twenty-five thousand National Guard soldiers over a nonexistent threat to Biden's virtual inauguration (look for permanent stationing of troops around Capitol Hill, like in any good banana republic). Fencing now surrounds the sacred Capitol building; apparently walls do work to keep mere citizens a good distance away from the "People's House."
Meanwhile populism, that dirtiest of dirty words used to describe democracy when the wrong guy wins, is entirely warranted when elites fail this badly. It won't just go away. If the Biden administration really wants to create a de facto class of political dissidents, particularly among the flyover Deplorables, they may find resistance to their new Reconstruction(!) stronger than they imagine. Populists are not insurrectionists or traitors, nor are they domestic terrorists. And politically vanquished people regroup and resurface in different forms, sometimes virulent forms.
Is mass democracy across a country of 330 million people the answer? Is any degree of subsidiarity permissible, to allow for local control and greater social cohesion? Or must states fully and finally become glorified federal counties, archaic throwbacks to old conceptions of America? If Biden or Harris truly wants to transform America, these are the questions they must grapple with. The Left is in no mood for reconciliation with Trump supporters, but punishment is not a policy. It is the act of tyrants.
Jeff Deist of the Mises Institute On What To Expect Under The Biden/Harris Regime....
Paraphrasing the late Murray Rothbard, the "two party" system in America during the twentieth century worked something like this: Democrats engineered the Great Leaps Forward, and Republicans consolidated the gains. Wilson, Roosevelt, and Johnson were the transformative presidents; Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan offered only rhetoric and weak tea compromises. In politics, being for something always beats being against something, and Republicans were never much against expanding federal power provided they had a place at the trough.
...Today, despite all his bluster and the Left's absolute derangement toward him, Donald Trump leaves office as a caretaker president. His real record, not his rhetoric and Twitter persona, will prove to be astonishingly in keeping with the DC status quo. His America First talk on jobs and trade, his schizophrenic foreign policy, his actual actions with respect to immigration policy, and even his vaunted tax cuts were not all that different in substance than anything Hillary Clinton might have done. Trump's difference was tone, not substance, but along with his outsider status that was enough to earn him the vicious enmity of the Swamp.
We have essentially endured a four-year national paroxysm over nothing, and for nothing. Think about that. All of this hate and division was not rooted in "policy" whatsoever, but in the political class's hatred and contempt for even purely rhetorical challenges to its power.
So what will the Biden/Harris administration do?
For starters, they will assume only cowed opposition from the Mitch McConnell GOP. As Trump departs, national Republicans are eager and relieved to return to their role as the polite warmonger loser caucus. The party looks to wash away any vestiges of Trumpism and embrace the leadership of atavistic figures like Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley. But Joe Biden and Kamala Harris clearly smell blood after recent events at the US Capitol and their Senate victories in Georgia, looking to fully repudiate Trump and hang the GOP in the process.
More importantly, they are under tremendous pressure from their left progressive flank, having relied on Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren supporters while championing Antifa, BLM, and LGBT causes as centerpieces of their campaign.
Therefore we should expect a muscular progressive agenda advanced by Biden, some of it in the first hundred days via executive orders of dubious legality. We should expect national covid mandates and lockdowns, aggressive climate change regulations, Medicare-for-All legislation, student loan forgiveness, and a host of federal rules perversely focused on race, gender, and sexuality in government, schools, workplaces, and corporate boardrooms. Amnesty for immigrants will be front and center, along with DC and Puerto Rican statehood. Supreme Court packing will be a particularly contentious topic, as many Democrats think two Trump appointees are illegitimate and conservatives in the Senate see the judicial branch as the last bulwark against the Left.
As for taxes, the word is UP. They're going up. But despite his campaign promises, one suspects the Biden administration will slow play any capital gains tax hikes. An awful lot of blue state Americans enjoyed big stock market gains in 2020, and this may temper their enthusiasm for overcoming wealth inequality. Also telling will be whether Biden in fact pushes to change the particular tax rules for private equity firms known as "carried interest." And he will rush to restore the full deductibility of state income taxes, which the Trump tax bill limited, injuring wealthy taxpayers in high-tax blue states. After all, he knows his base.
Kamala Harris is the wildcard in this story. Has any US president in modern history been elected with the widespread expectation he would not complete his term in office? Not only will Mr. Biden be the oldest chief executive elected, but he clearly shows signs of cognitive decline and often stumbles to find words—as one would expect of a man his age. Harris's presidential campaign raised an uninspiring $40 million, more than half of which came from wealthy donors. She failed to generate excitement both in polls and at the ballot box, underperforming with her party's left flank and failing to win a single Democratic delegate or primary. Virtually no Democrats voted for her to become president.
By virtue of her age and status as a "person of color," Harris certainly leans left of her boss. He is the old war-horse for corporate Delaware; she is the youngish hip senator from progressive California. But if Joe Biden dies or steps down—both reasonably possible over the next four years—Harris surely becomes a transformative figure.
Either way, the Biden administration inherits a political landscape wildly favorable to it. Politicians, journalists, CEOs, and people of all political stripes (including libertarians) celebrate the deplatforming and unpersoning of Trump, making clear their contempt for and desire to punish his supporters.
Democratic socialists now discover their love of discrimination by "private companies," supporting Deep Tech purges of recalcitrant voices or anyone who dares question election legitimacy. Alternative social media site Parler takes "build your own platform" to heart, only to be excluded by Android and Apple app stores and kicked off its Amazon web hosting.
BLM/Antifa activists who spent the summer burning buildings and calling for city police departments to disband sound like Nixonian champions of law and order when it comes to the halls of Congress. And left progressives learn to "love the bomb" as they cheer the military occupation of DC with twenty-five thousand National Guard soldiers over a nonexistent threat to Biden's virtual inauguration (look for permanent stationing of troops around Capitol Hill, like in any good banana republic). Fencing now surrounds the sacred Capitol building; apparently walls do work to keep mere citizens a good distance away from the "People's House."
Meanwhile populism, that dirtiest of dirty words used to describe democracy when the wrong guy wins, is entirely warranted when elites fail this badly. It won't just go away. If the Biden administration really wants to create a de facto class of political dissidents, particularly among the flyover Deplorables, they may find resistance to their new Reconstruction(!) stronger than they imagine. Populists are not insurrectionists or traitors, nor are they domestic terrorists. And politically vanquished people regroup and resurface in different forms, sometimes virulent forms.
Is mass democracy across a country of 330 million people the answer? Is any degree of subsidiarity permissible, to allow for local control and greater social cohesion? Or must states fully and finally become glorified federal counties, archaic throwbacks to old conceptions of America? If Biden or Harris truly wants to transform America, these are the questions they must grapple with. The Left is in no mood for reconciliation with Trump supporters, but punishment is not a policy. It is the act of tyrants.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:24 am to HubbaBubba
A lot of words to say “were fricked”
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:26 am to Toomer Deplorable
Libertarians like to pretend they don’t have a dog in the hunt and try to take the high ground while pointing out each side’s issues.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:27 am to Toomer Deplorable
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As Trump departs, national Republicans are eager and relieved to return to their role as the polite warmonger loser caucus. The party looks to wash away any vestiges of Trumpism and embrace the leadership of atavistic figures like Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley.
Gross.
And this is why folks like DeSantis, Cruz, and several freshmen congressmen need to step on the the collective throat of the GOP.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:27 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
Democratic socialists now discover their love of discrimination by "private companies," supporting Deep Tech purges of recalcitrant voices or anyone who dares question election legitimacy. Alternative social media site Parler takes "build your own platform" to heart, only to be excluded by Android and Apple app stores and kicked off its Amazon web hosting. BLM/Antifa activists who spent the summer burning buildings and calling for city police departments to disband sound like Nixonian champions of law and order when it comes to the halls of Congress. And left progressives learn to "love the bomb" as they cheer the military occupation of DC with twenty-five thousand National Guard soldiers over a nonexistent threat to Biden's virtual inauguration (look for permanent stationing of troops around Capitol Hill, like in any good banana republic). Fencing now surrounds the sacred Capitol building; apparently walls do work to keep mere citizens a good distance away from the "People's House."
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:28 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
Libertarians like to pretend they don’t have a dog in the hunt and try to take the high ground while pointing out each side’s issues.
I have no idea who the guy is, but I can't take anything he says seriously after this gem.
quote:
his schizophrenic foreign policy, his actual actions with respect to immigration policy, and even his vaunted tax cuts were not all that different in substance than anything Hillary Clinton might have done.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:57 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
His real record, not his rhetoric and Twitter persona, will prove to be astonishingly in keeping with the DC status quo. His America First talk on jobs and trade, his schizophrenic foreign policy, his actual actions with respect to immigration policy, and even his vaunted tax cuts were not all that different in substance than anything Hillary Clinton might have done. Trump's difference was tone, not substance, but along with his outsider status that was enough to earn him the vicious enmity of the Swamp.
quote:
for all of Trump’s many failures, creating 50+/- million enemies of the State is a damn good legacy. So in that sense, I’d argue Trump has been a transformative President. Yet I agree with Deist’s overall assess that Trump’s presidency was but a speed-bump for the inevitable triumph of the corporatized Deep State.
These both cannot be true. Also, Trump's bombastic tone and rhetoric are what got him elected. However, had he not followed up with actual substantive policy, conservatives would not have returned in 2020 to vote in record numbers. Anyone claiming Hillary Clinton would have built a wall and cut taxes is delusional.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:08 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
All of this hate and division was not rooted in "policy"
sure it was.
remove protections for land and water.
remove protections for minorities such as sexual preference.
reduce taxes on companies.
many companies paid no tax under trumpian version.
reduce taxes on billionaires.
reduce taxes on high earners.
built some wall.
mexico would not pay but just use e.o.
all that is policy.
the article meant intentional change policy.
gop does not do change.
gop is always only about wealth preservation and stirring up shite for the rednecks to get worked up over and forget that rich peoples money is all gop is about.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:09 pm to CelticDog
Your posting style where you hit enter after every sentence isn’t appealing to the eyes baw
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:16 pm to Eli Goldfinger
so in other words they see that both of these parites are dog shite and choose not to play by 2 party rules.
Sound like supersmart people
Sound like supersmart people
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:16 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:they tried Muh Russia
So now what?
they tried to frame Flynn
they leaked classified info about Trump's foreign leader phone calls
they tried Honest Bob
they tried tried muh ukraine
they raided Trump's lawyers
they raided Trump's CFO
they are currently working on trying to frame Trump again for Jan 6th
dredge back muh Russia
power the USPS with all of govt to spy on their enemies
all while flubbing foreign & domestic policy and covering for the Obama Biden corruption
As Sundance said, the deep state is the IC. how can they be exposed and stopped?
LINK
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:19 pm to Eli Goldfinger
All problems would disappear if weed was legalized.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:21 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
Libertarians like to pretend they don’t have a dog in the hunt and try to take the high ground while pointing out each side’s issues.
Its a case of some one on either side that doesn't scribe to one's side 100% then thinking their "moderate" and open thinking. It would be like me, a Catholic, saying I'm not Catholic because I don't agree with the pope. The swipe at Trump showed no reason why his foriegn policy was scoffed at yet created the greatest number of peace deals in the middle east. Its a typical stance for people who like to throw up the phrase "on both sides" to act like they are indeed seeing both sides.
That's all fine but when acting like they're above the fray and the fallout is others fault well theres a problem. Its being naive. Just like conservatives were back when I was young and even before that allowing radicals to control the press, schools and government.
They remind me of the members at the liberal gun club who demonized republicans while believing the same politicians they support to control their education, healthcare, retirement, public services and income will magically not seek control over the right to bear arms that can be used against said government they voted for.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:21 pm to CelticDog
quote:
remove protections for land and water.
Lol. Yet he was also the first and obviously only president to fully fund the LWCF. THE ONLY ONE fully funding and therefore protecting our national parks and lands.
Yes he rolled back stupid regulations but by and large Trump was the second greatest environmental president behind Teddy.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:23 pm to td01241
quote:
Your posting style
The substance isn't any better.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:26 pm to hawkeye007
quote:
so in other words they see that both of these parites are dog shite and choose not to play by 2 party rules.
Anybody disgusted with both parties should have voted for Trump, not pretend that he's no different than Hillary. That's clownworld shite.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:28 pm to FlyingTiger1955
quote:
All problems would disappear if weed was legalized.
That's almost it in a nutshell.
Here's another example.
They don't care about any sort of adverse societal actions, so long as it's "muh free market".
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:31 pm to td01241
I just did it but I was making a list
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:34 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
Libertarians like to pretend they don’t have a dog in the hunt and try to take the high ground while pointing out each side’s issues.
Probably because party membership today is nothing but two groups of people engaged in groupthink.
They are above it. However, you'll never get two to agree on almost anything, which is why they have no power
Why any normal American is a party member today is beyond me.
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