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re: The decline of religious faith in America and what that means for our future
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:44 pm to Revelator
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:44 pm to Revelator
If thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:44 pm to BiggRazorback
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If God can just do what God wants then why doesn't God change reality?
God isn’t going to force himself on anyone, nor does he need followers to stroke his ego.
People need the salvation of God more than he needs our fellowship.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:47 pm to Jimbeaux
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Our prosperity has led many to feel that they don’t need God. In search of meaning, they have turned to materialism, hedonism, narcissism, and to the theology of communism, which is the historical dialectic in pursuit of human perfection (utopia) on earth.
Exactly
Revelation 3:17 For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:47 pm to Revelator
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God isn’t going to force himself on anyone,
Good.
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People need the salvation of God ...
Nah.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:47 pm to BiggRazorback
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believe me, churches found Zoom. Very quickly especially once the tithin' started to go down. They're not stupid. Gotta keep the God business goin'.
There are many Judas’s in the church as there has been from the beginning. But to suggest that the church is only about money is a satanic talking point. You know it’s not true, yet you repeat if for a lark.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:47 pm to BiggRazorback
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Good. Then people are doing what they wanna do. Let other do what they wanna do. God seems to be ok with it. Why not you?
Terrible logic.
A teacher hands out a test to a class of students. The teacher then provides an hour to complete the test. The students are free to use that hour to fill in their answers or just sit there and twiddle their thumbs.
Because the teacher isn't forcing the students to pick up their pencils and take the test, that is clearly proof that the teacher doesn't care what they do either way.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:49 pm to Revelator
Christianity has to not only be the center of America but also the center of our government. Nobody should be making policies or laws without keeping God in mind.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:50 pm to BiggRazorback
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This is why a lot of people don't like Christians. They have a serious issue with minding their own business.
Some of the same people who hold to this sentiment are perfectly fine with the government telling them and others what to do.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:50 pm to BiggRazorback
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Good. Then people are doing what they wanna do. Let other do what they wanna do. God seems to be ok with it. Why not you?
This is the narcissistic philosophy of Satan in a nutshell.
Put aside your wicked selfish thoughts and realize you are under the sway of evil.
If today you hear God’s voice, harden not your heart.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:51 pm to UGATiger26
How is adding a teacher into a couple of paragraphs have anything to do with your point?
I don't have a teacher. I just live life. Everything is fine. Always has been. Always will be.
Nothing wrong with Christianity I suppose if it's your choice but to a lot of us, it makes zero sense. I don't have a problem with you being a Christian. Why do Christians have a problem with non-Christians not wanting to be Christians?
I don't have a teacher. I just live life. Everything is fine. Always has been. Always will be.
Nothing wrong with Christianity I suppose if it's your choice but to a lot of us, it makes zero sense. I don't have a problem with you being a Christian. Why do Christians have a problem with non-Christians not wanting to be Christians?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:52 pm to Revelator
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Some of the same people who hold to this sentiment are perfectly fine with the government telling them and others what to do.
Sure. Some do but not all. And some Christians are perfectly fine with the government telling them and others what to do.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:52 pm to BiggRazorback
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How is adding a teacher into a couple of paragraphs have anything to do with your point?
You made a claim that, because God gave us free will, that is prima facie evidence that he doesn't care what we do with it.
I pointed out the problem with that claim.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:54 pm to BiggRazorback
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believe me, churches found Zoom. Very quickly especially once the tithin' started to go down. They're not stupid. Gotta keep the God business goin'.
How will a church pay for electricity , pay a pastor a salary, pay a note on a church, pay a pianist, etc. without money?
Money, in and of itself isn’t evil and God often uses our love of money as a test of our faith.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:59 pm to Revelator
Even if one is averse to organized religion or more specifically Christianity, still look at the 10 Commandments and the teachings of Christ, and tell me how it's a bad set of principles to follow?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:00 pm to Revelator
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Money, in and of itself isn’t evil and God often uses our love of money as a test of our faith.
Being serious here man.
I've never had an issue with money (it's just money ... it's not good or bad).
I don't love it and I don't hate it. I don't have feelings of any kind for it. It's just a medium of exchange (I realize others may feel differently though).
And I don't see it as a test of anything. People are going to do with it what they like. What they do with it is just none of my business.
I am curious what you mean by all that though.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:03 pm to TigerAxeOK
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still look at the 10 Commandments and the teachings of Christ, and tell me how it's a bad set of principles to follow?
I think they're fine. If you follow all of them, your life will go well. Same with other religion's tenants. But I believe it's up to the person to decide what they want to do.
I say the latter because there are times when you have to break those rules if they're meant strictly.
Sometimes you kill.
Sometimes you lie.
Sometimes you want what other people have.
Sometimes you get pissed at reality and curse it.
and so forth.
The spirit of the rules are good but I don't see them as a necessity because if it was a necessity, everyone would be following them 100%.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:07 pm to BiggRazorback
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And I don't see it as a test of anything. People are going to do with it what they like. What they do with it is just none of my business. I am curious what you mean by all that though.
Jesus speaks in the Bible often about putting God first. Often, he talks about those who chose money over following God. So when I say he tests us in that area, that’s what I mean.
If the church or a fellow brother is in need and you have the ability to give, but you prefer to hoard your money instead, it speaks to one’s faith or lack of faith.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:08 pm to Revelator
I'm shocked that CBN would fear monger to try to keep the cash flowing.
Shocked.
Shocked.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:10 pm to Revelator
Unless a revival occurs by the power of God, I see true Christianity continuing to shrink and the nominal Christians to stop being nominal at an increasing rate.
It seems a large portion of Christian churches simply don't teach the scriptures any longer, catechizing and discipling the flock of Christ. Instead, it's mostly about entertainment, sentimentality, and fraternization while scratching the itch that most people have to be religious.
I expect numbers to decrease, God's common grace that restrains evil to decrease, and greater instability in the culture to increase, with more and more government intervention being used to subdue those who were subdued by the influence of the Church previously.
I also expect the hole of religion filled by Christianity to be filled with other things, like worship of other gods, demon worship, or just the religion of the self.
It's not going to end well for our culture if the Lord allows this to continue, but Christians need to be vigilant in holding their leaders responsible for their shepherding of the flock of Christ, and the gospel needs to be proclaimed all the more.
It seems a large portion of Christian churches simply don't teach the scriptures any longer, catechizing and discipling the flock of Christ. Instead, it's mostly about entertainment, sentimentality, and fraternization while scratching the itch that most people have to be religious.
I expect numbers to decrease, God's common grace that restrains evil to decrease, and greater instability in the culture to increase, with more and more government intervention being used to subdue those who were subdued by the influence of the Church previously.
I also expect the hole of religion filled by Christianity to be filled with other things, like worship of other gods, demon worship, or just the religion of the self.
It's not going to end well for our culture if the Lord allows this to continue, but Christians need to be vigilant in holding their leaders responsible for their shepherding of the flock of Christ, and the gospel needs to be proclaimed all the more.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:18 pm to FooManChoo
Many Christians don't attend church. How are they counted?
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