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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:40 pm to the808bass
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:40 pm to the808bass
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Allowing both a stand your ground and citizens arrest in the same instance means a person with a gun has carte blanche authority to initiate violence and end the fight “in self defense.” That’s probably not going to be a strong legal argument. “I can point a gun at someone and then shoot them if they come towards me in self defense.”
This doesn’t make any sense, and no one made any reference to stand your ground.
Similar confusions led to panties in wads in Trayvon’s case as well.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:41 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Trespassing with intent to steal is, there’s the rub.
In this post, Turbeauxdog proposes the McMichaels are psychic.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:42 pm to roadGator
quote:Which makes it worse since there weren’t suspecting anything that would put any one’s life at risk to justify immediate intervention to stop it, he couldn’t get to far since he was on foot, and even then, if they knew he was the police would be able to find him easily.
It’s also a smaller town and he was apparently a good football player in HS.
It’s likely they at least knew of him.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Again, what was stolen, and why does the official documentation take so little interest in those items?
We’ll find out more I’m sure, but you’re missing the point.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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that would put any one’s life at risk to justify immediate intervention
That’s not the standard to justify immediate intervention in Georgia.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:43 pm to Turbeauxdog
Eh. Same difference. A “no duty to retreat self defense” combined with a citizens arrest, as used by the DA in his memo, makes a person able to initiate and finish a fight lethally and be justified. That’s not good law or application.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:43 pm to fatheadgator
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The dad knew Ahmaud previously
I haven’t watched the video. What does this prove?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:44 pm to LSUGrrrl
Nothing.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:44 pm to Turbeauxdog
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We’ll find out more I’m sure, but you’re missing the point.
No I'm not. The police report itself shows that this was at least the 3rd interaction with Arbery. No stolen goods have been found with reference to him. Why? Stealing wasn't even the justification the McMichael's used in the police report. You are so sure he's stealing for some reason though.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:45 pm to the808bass
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makes a person able to initiate and finish a fight
An arrest is initiating a fight?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:46 pm to LSUGrrrl
Just put yourself in his shoes. We can even take color out of it, if I'm out for a job and a few guys with guns are following me in a truck, then I try to run a different direction and they keep following me and cut me off, get out of the truck with a gun.
I'm pretty sure anyone would be scared for their life. Unless they first hand saw a felony happen, they are guilty of murder.
I'm pretty sure anyone would be scared for their life. Unless they first hand saw a felony happen, they are guilty of murder.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:46 pm to crazy4lsu
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No I'm not. The police report itself shows that this was at least the 3rd interaction with Arbery. No stolen goods have been found with reference to him. Why? Stealing wasn't even the justification the McMichael's used in the police report. You are so sure he's stealing for some reason though.
None of this is worth responding to, you can’t read.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Well they already failed to meet that standard, but regardless if justification for use of force and escalating force is important for trained LEO’s, it surely should be for wannabe LEO’s who have assumed that role and authority, which includes the RESPONSIBILITIES as well, especially since they lack things that would allow someone to know that they’re LEO’s as well as lacking the training on top of that.
That’s not the standard to justify immediate intervention in Georgia.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:47 pm to Turbeauxdog
A false citizens arrest is.
Have you looked at other times people have tried to claim citizens arrest and self-defense at the same time in Georgia? Cuz there’s a white chick in Georgia sitting waiting for her trial after chasing down a hit and run suspect and then shooting him in self-defense.
Have you looked at other times people have tried to claim citizens arrest and self-defense at the same time in Georgia? Cuz there’s a white chick in Georgia sitting waiting for her trial after chasing down a hit and run suspect and then shooting him in self-defense.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:49 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well they already failed to meet that standard,
Link?
The DA disagrees and he’s privy to much more information than we are. Understand his credibility is in question, but a month ago he wrote his reasoning and deferred the case to an external DA.
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but regardless if justification for use of force and escalating force is important for trained LEO’s, it is surely should be for wannabe LEO’s who have assumed that role and authority, which includes the RESPONSIBILITIES as well.
In what fantasy land does grabbing the firearm of an arresting office not going to result in a dead or injured civilian?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:50 pm to Turbeauxdog
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In what fantasy land does grabbing the firearm of an arresting office not going to result in a dead or injured civilian?
There was no police officer here. You’re all over the map and not doing it well.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:51 pm to the808bass
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Have you looked at other times people have tried to claim citizens arrest and self-defense at the same time in Georgia? Cuz there’s a white chick in Georgia sitting waiting for her trial after chasing down a hit and run suspect and then shooting him in self-defense.
You’re saying the state doesn’t like to apply it’s own laws? Wouldn’t be the first time.
We saw what the state of Florida tried to do with GZ.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:51 pm to Turbeauxdog
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None of this is worth responding to, you can’t read.
Somehow you know that Arbery was trespassing with intent to steal, yet nothing stolen shows up, nor is reference made to actual stolen goods in the official documentation. Curious.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:51 pm to Turbeauxdog
I’m saying that the application of the law may be different than what you’re saying. I’m sure the DA who charged her understands it better than you.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:52 pm to the808bass
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There was no police officer here. You’re all over the map and not doing it well.
You misread Buckeyes post, he compared the incident to police officers.
And I’m smashing fools bro.
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