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re: The cult of ignorance in the United States: Anti-intellectualism
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:55 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:55 pm to WhiskeyPapa
What the author neglects to mention is that damn near all the humanities have been monopolized by the far left. My girlfriend just had a research topic assigned to her, and I shite you not, about how to most effectively resist the Trump administration. Not only that, but if you try to engage in discussion with an opposing view point to the professor, your grade will more than likely suffer.
This isn't partisan crap, it's just a fact that these classes the author stresses the importance of are far removed from the intellectual debate they are meant to stimulate.
I would love if people actually did learn real philosophy again; going forward, we are going to have a ton of ethical questions to answer regarding technology and I would love to see a nation equipped to critically analyze the future we want to create. A degree in African American studies will not accomplish that goal
This isn't partisan crap, it's just a fact that these classes the author stresses the importance of are far removed from the intellectual debate they are meant to stimulate.
I would love if people actually did learn real philosophy again; going forward, we are going to have a ton of ethical questions to answer regarding technology and I would love to see a nation equipped to critically analyze the future we want to create. A degree in African American studies will not accomplish that goal
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:55 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Pow pow Murica!
That, and . . .
Fair Share
MAGA
Literally Hitler
Facts are racists
I could go on
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:56 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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You identified the purpose as being to make fun of people like you?
Thank you for proving my point.
So what makes me anti-intellectual?
Go!
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:56 pm to BBONDS25
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I would be very careful calling anyone else ignorant...
It's a pretty big club if 77% of the High School students don't know who the first president was.
I saw a thing on TV - they stopped people on the street, and some huge percentage couldn't place the dates of the Civil War within 50 years.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:57 pm to WhiskeyPapa
I can't believe I am doing this, but I am going to step in here and side with Whiskey Papa, although I don't think I agree with WHY she is posting this.
If you actually read the article, it makes no distinction of party lines. The examples it cites are indeed indicative of a problem. It is like the stuff Jay Leno used to do when he asked random passersby these kind of questions.
I could make a snarky comment that THESE EXAMPLES of ignorance are more likely to be exhibited by members of the adult left, and that the average Trump voter is more affluent and accomplished than the lower income voters Hillary gathered, but even saying that would be a function of my own bias.
That being said, the terms "ignorance" and "anti-intellectualism" have been so conflated with the "uneducated white male" (formerly known as the "blue collar working man") stereotype that this headline is bound to incite the reactions seen on this board.
The guy has a point with this article, but it is a DIFFERENT issue than the red herring that was so prominent in the campaign. There are just as many idiots with a college degree as there are really intelligent and accomplished people without one, and this whole premise just needs to die.
If you actually read the article, it makes no distinction of party lines. The examples it cites are indeed indicative of a problem. It is like the stuff Jay Leno used to do when he asked random passersby these kind of questions.
I could make a snarky comment that THESE EXAMPLES of ignorance are more likely to be exhibited by members of the adult left, and that the average Trump voter is more affluent and accomplished than the lower income voters Hillary gathered, but even saying that would be a function of my own bias.
That being said, the terms "ignorance" and "anti-intellectualism" have been so conflated with the "uneducated white male" (formerly known as the "blue collar working man") stereotype that this headline is bound to incite the reactions seen on this board.
The guy has a point with this article, but it is a DIFFERENT issue than the red herring that was so prominent in the campaign. There are just as many idiots with a college degree as there are really intelligent and accomplished people without one, and this whole premise just needs to die.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:57 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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So what makes me anti-intellectual?
How old are you?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:58 pm to Antonio Moss
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Fair Share
Every time I see this one I want to punch a kitten.
Everything that's wrong with a blind obedience to emotions over logic and reason rolled up in one two-word phrase.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:58 pm to Antonio Moss
The social sciences include: economics, anthropology, geography, sociology, political science, and psychology. I cannot imagine any educated person thinking these studies are useless.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:02 pm to GeorgeWest
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The social sciences include: economics, anthropology, geography, sociology, political science, and psychology. I cannot imagine any educated person thinking these studies are useless.
I'm mostly talking about sociology
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:03 pm to GeorgeWest
Well the problem with social sciences is that they went from being descriptive to prescriptive.
Knowing "why" the world and people are they way they are is a good thing to know, but the minute you start telling me how the world and people "should" be, you can frick right off.
Knowing "why" the world and people are they way they are is a good thing to know, but the minute you start telling me how the world and people "should" be, you can frick right off.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:05 pm to Centinel
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Knowing "why" the world and people are they way they are is a good thing to know, but the minute you start telling me how the world and people "should" be, you can frick right off.
Well said. They aren't teaching people how to think these days and then letting them come to their own conclusions.
They are starting with their own conclusions and then teaching people WHAT to think and how to arrive at those conclusions that are already predetermined.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:06 pm to kingbob
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Intellectuals brought this upon themselves with their elitism, parroting communist propoganda from ivory towers while replacing their traditional educational role (teaching how to think) with teaching what to think. By being so smug, so wrong, and so blatantly hypocritical, they bred a culture that rejects them, which has been branded "anti-intellectual", when in reality, it's anti-elitism, and anti-socialist.
This is pure gobbley asian
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:10 pm to WhiskeyPapa
There is certainly a trend to teach groupthink and shun ideas that aren't PC even if they are truth and this is very dangerous.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:11 pm to TheXman
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I'm mostly talking about sociology
Sociology is a big umbrella.
You think Criminology - which is subsect of Sociology - is useless? Understanding macro-crime trends, the psychology of deviance, long terms effects of a criminal justice system, etc. has no value in society?
What about social-psychology? Should we not study how macrotrends within our civilization - things like war, sports, art, etc. affect individual thinking?
Human ecology? Is there no value in understanding how our society affects our availability and use of resources and social progresses affect on other networks?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:12 pm to WhiskeyPapa
The world is more specialized than it's ever been. The old fashioned "university" education is antiquated and isn't any longer needed in my view.
In the 18th century, you had only two choices: Be a farmer or become a "scholar." Back then only a few rich kids went to college -- thus they had the time to spend on learning about the arts and humanities, etc. Most of the country simply didn't have the time or means to devote to it (you did all you could do just to eat).
Moreover, the universities then could ensure that the students were proficient in these rather arcane subjects because they didn't live in a very technically complex world. All there was to learn was the law, Latin, history and perhaps philosophy. The sciences and technology were infantile back then and have become exponentially more complex today. This is why you don't see polymaths like Gottfried Leibniz anymore: There's simply too much out there for even the brightest people to learn.
While I think we can do better, I am not concerned if the average student is not as expert in the arts and humanities as they were in ages past. History scholars don't make jack shite, whereas in the old days they were invariably of the upper classes. Priorities have changed.
In the 18th century, you had only two choices: Be a farmer or become a "scholar." Back then only a few rich kids went to college -- thus they had the time to spend on learning about the arts and humanities, etc. Most of the country simply didn't have the time or means to devote to it (you did all you could do just to eat).
Moreover, the universities then could ensure that the students were proficient in these rather arcane subjects because they didn't live in a very technically complex world. All there was to learn was the law, Latin, history and perhaps philosophy. The sciences and technology were infantile back then and have become exponentially more complex today. This is why you don't see polymaths like Gottfried Leibniz anymore: There's simply too much out there for even the brightest people to learn.
While I think we can do better, I am not concerned if the average student is not as expert in the arts and humanities as they were in ages past. History scholars don't make jack shite, whereas in the old days they were invariably of the upper classes. Priorities have changed.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:12 pm to Antonio Moss
Yes in the way they are currently taught and implemented these days everything has an agenda. Literally everything.
I don't know if that's something that can be changed but that is how it is.
I don't know if that's something that can be changed but that is how it is.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:18 pm to TheXman
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Yes in the way they are currently taught and implemented these days everything has an agenda. Literally everything.
You watch too much Fox News
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:30 pm to Antonio Moss
The folks in this thread terrified of being 'told what to think' must not be very good thinkers.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:33 pm to Antonio Moss
I don't watch cable news
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