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re: The bill was going to pass anyway. Why not make the Dems go the discharge petition route?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:32 pm to YouKnowImRight
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:32 pm to YouKnowImRight
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Maybe he underestimated how much of a raving idiot she is.
The idiot sure has him pinched right now.
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:37 pm to Indefatigable
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One that his own party wouldn’t be unified in supporting?
Why wouldn't they if shutting down the government is as bad as you all say it is for the GOP?
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How would the Speaker make them do this? Remember, the majority of members of the House support the bill and the Ukraine funding, etc. you act like the speaker has some sort of magic wand.
If the GOP conference was rock solid and unified in that course of action, you’d be right. But it isn’t, so you aren’t.
Single issue bills like he promised. Ukraine funding was already rejected by the whole republican base.
The reps want it for their own laundering opportunities and hid it in this bill.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:39 pm to loogaroo
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The idiot sure has him pinched right now
Yep. And it's gonna result in $60 billion for Ukraine. Way to go MTG
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:39 pm to YouKnowImRight
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Doesn't work that way. Republicans are in the majority. They would own shutting down the government and the media would bang that drum for the next 6 months.
You're giving the media too much credit.
All Johnson would have had to do was say the Dems voted against it. It would have been on the record.
Why are you so scared to play hardball?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:40 pm to loogaroo
When a bill this big shows up on Thursday, and is voted on on Friday, someone is getting fricked.
Us.
Us.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:40 pm to loogaroo
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Why is this so hard to understand?
There is no failure to understand your point. What you want very clearly isn’t an option given the lack of spine in a segment of the GOP house contingent.
Unless we’re all just going to go with the assumption that Mike Johnson is just choosing not to do this for no apparent reason.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:42 pm to loogaroo
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Why are you so scared to play hardball?
It isn’t a matter of being scared. It’s that it won’t work, and it will backfire. Democrats control the narrative.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:52 pm to Indefatigable
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There is no failure to understand your point. What you want very clearly isn’t an option given the lack of spine in a segment of the GOP house contingent.
Again. Single issue bills and make them own it instead of hiding it in a 1000 pages with no time to debate.
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Unless we’re all just going to go with the assumption that Mike Johnson is just choosing not to do this for no apparent reason.
Apparently he did exactly this.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:53 pm to Indefatigable
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It isn’t a matter of being scared. It’s that it won’t work, and it will backfire. Democrats control the narrative.
The wouldn't if Johnson did what he promised to do with single issue bills.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:55 pm to YouKnowImRight
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Yep. And it's gonna result in $60 billion for Ukraine. Way to go MTG
How will that happen if he values his position as speaker?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 7:57 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:04 pm to YouKnowImRight
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You're conflating two different things. The discharge petition was for the Ukraine bill, not the omnibus. If you don't pass a spending bill the government shuts down.
You are being downvoted but you’re right. The whole shut down the government play never works and always blows up in the Repubs’ faces. When will people learn?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:08 pm to loogaroo
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The wouldn't if Johnson did what he promised to do with single issue bills.
They passed out of their respective committees and he had the votes to pass them on the floor?
Or do you not even think it’s remotely possible that Johnson didn’t go that route because he couldn’t get them passed?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:08 pm to YouKnowImRight
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How will that happen if he values his position as speaker?
see here
How many times do I have to explain this?
He's caught. She boxed him in and he did it to himself.
She said it was a warning. It's his choice.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:10 pm to loogaroo
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It's his choice.
No, it really isn’t.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:10 pm to Indefatigable
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They passed out of their respective committees and he had the votes to pass them on the floor?
Or do you not even think it’s remotely possible that Johnson didn’t go that route because he couldn’t get them passed?
Or he didn't even try.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:14 pm to Indefatigable
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No, it really isn’t.
How so?
You don't seem to understand single issue bills and voting on the record.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:18 pm to loogaroo
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Or he didn't even try.
Explain. Are you saying the bills all cleared committee, that he has the GOP votes to pass them, and is just choosing not to? If that is the case then I’d happily agree with you.
You don’t bring bills to the floor that are going to fail with members of your own party voting against it.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:19 pm to loogaroo
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You don't seem to understand single issue bills and voting on the record.
There isn’t a poster on this site who believes in single issue legislation more than I do. But that isn’t where we are at this moment.
“Getting people on the record” in a losing show vote doesn’t work when Republicans vote against it, with a practically nonexistent majority in an election year.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:20 pm to loogaroo
There should be no bills containing multiple items. Line item voting only make them approve each and every expenditure
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