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re: The Biden admin scrubbed all wildfire data prior to 1983.

Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:45 am to
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39788 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:45 am to
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the frequency and damage from wildfires has increased.


Not due to man made climate change though.
Posted by saturday
Pronoun (Baw)
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:46 am to
it would have been more fitting if they scrubbed everything prior to 1984
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30912 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:41 am to
The entire Green movement is based on misleading statistical information, usually depicted in graphs. The timeframe (a.k.a denominator, and is usually the horizontal bottom line on a graph) can be skewed to appear positive or negative depending on the timeframe.
I just saw a graft of gas prices that Biden was touting, but the problem was that it encompassed the last 2 months! Just imagine the difference in that one and one showing the entire time he's been in office.
All that to say that over 1000s of years, science has shown us that the earth has cooled down AND heated up several times!
Don't be conned by these sky-screamers with an agenda!
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86312 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:42 am to
wildfires are started by humans. Sometimes an illegal or homeless drug user.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86312 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:45 am to
if you drive along i10 towards mobile before the hotter months come around, they do controlled burns all along there.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:48 am to
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The info still exists, its just not on the site.


And they'll only be using the data on the site to force the globalist agenda onto everyone
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:49 am to
They cut off the arctic ice cap around 1980 too. Why? Because it was lower than it is today in the 70’s
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 11:54 am
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14813 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:57 am to
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Get out of here with your objective, reasonable analysis.



I was about to mention something like this, until I saw his comment.

Regardless, the public generally does not understand why decisions like that are made...at least from a data standpoint...not saying that there wasn't a political influence to why this was done (sometimes that is the case), but it can also be justified from a purely objective standpoint that the data are not comparable because the estimation processes were different.

I've always argued that all of the data should be released publicly, but with heavy caveats if there are differences in estimation processes (think WARNING labels on tobacco or alcohol products).

If people misuse the data, then you can at least go back and say..."well we stated to be cautious with this data".

That at least avoids these type of public discussions because you can't control whether or not people use the data improperly...but at least releasing the data with caveats relieves the public mistrust side of things as things are more transparent than let's say this situation.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 11:58 am
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:09 pm to
Commie pigs gonna commie pig
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:12 pm to
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The problem with this conspiracy theory is that if that was really their goal,


There is no conspiracy theory. The Biden administration wants us to know that wildfire are getting worse. Just google wildfire frequency and these charts are raised to the top of the search results all starting in 1983:



Sorry, as much as you would like to discredit this thread with "conspiracy theory" ad hominem these are just the observable facts. The Biden admin is hiding pre-1983 wildfire data.

If they feel like pre-1983 data and post-1983 data are not the same then annotate charts stating the difference but don't erase it.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

it would have been more fitting if they scrubbed everything prior to 1984
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52917 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:43 pm to
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Sorry, as much as you would like to discredit this thread with "conspiracy theory" ad hominem


It’s not an ad hominem. You made the statement claiming they are scrubbing it. Which you “proved” by providing evidence that they didn’t scrub it, in a medium that it could have easily been done even without evoking any power of government.

There was no personal attack. Assuming all events are part of a unified orchestrated plot is the definition of a conspiracy theory.

Especially when citing disparate organizations colluding to the same goal.

Especially as you keep using words like “scrubbed” or “erased” rather than the more accurate term that can fit the same story you are claiming of “suppressed” Apparently it’s not just the left that are prone to hyperbolic and dramatic statements.

I’ll agree it’s awfully convenient of the break being where it is…..but there is an objective reason for the threshold, made decades before Biden’s presidency. That reality can’t be discounted. For instance, one could argue their climate case would be far stronger making the break to be in the 1950s, to imply that the trend is consistently low, if pure data obscuring was the goal.

Finding evidence supporting your view doesn’t prove it. You can only disprove the alternatives.

This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:00 pm to
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Which you “proved” by providing evidence that they didn’t scrub it,


The Biden admin removed/scrubbed the data from their website they control. They do not control the wayback machine. I accessed pre-1983 data today from the wayback machine. I cannot access pre-1983 data from the government website. Before 2021 I could access pre-1983 data.

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There was no personal attack. Assuming all events are part of a unified orchestrated plot is the definition of a conspiracy theory.


I don't believe their is some orchestrated plot. It's simply an "official" source changing data because they know that all publications whether for media, academia, business, etc. that cite their source with the pre-1983 data is missing.

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Especially when citing disparate organizations colluding to the same goal.



It may look like disparate organizations are colluding but only because they are using the same corrupted source. They are not intentionally colluding.

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Especially as you keep using words like “scrubbed” or “erased” rather than the more accurate term that can fit the same story you are claiming of “suppressed”


I used scrubbed and erased because pre-1983 data is missing from the government's website. Again I had to access it from the wayback machine.

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ut there is an objective reason for the threshold, made decades before Biden’s presidency. That reality can’t be discounted.


Can you provide a source for this assertion.

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For instance, one could argue their climate case would be far stronger making the break to be in the 1950s


Nah. Starting in the 1950s would have still managed a slight upward trend but not as drastic and scary as starting in 1983. 1983 was the lowest wildfire event on record.

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Finding evidence supporting your view doesn’t prove it. You can only disprove the alternatives.



That's why the Biden admin should present ALL the data.

This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted by The Cool No 9
70816
Member since Jan 2014
11025 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:03 pm to
That's probably dumber than all of Hillarys staff smashing phones with hammers.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:09 pm to
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“suppressed”


Historically, when the government, especially the (D) administrations, change definitions, alter when or where we start counting, reset parameters, and/or simply start making stuff up it is not because the data is different or truly needs adjusting.... It is because they are using the data to push an agenda...

I agree with you, they did not "scrub" the data for anyone that knows how to look for it and find it in this situation, but the average citizen now is lazy and goes with the first thing they find...

Things that have "changed" in my lifetime:
1. How unemployment is defined and calculated
2. How inflation is calculated
3. Global Warming, Climate Change, the Coming Ice Age
4. Clean water standards
5. Air standards
6. Drinking water standards
7. What a woman is defined as

Probably several I am missing but the point is, you will have to forgive me if I am skeptical of the government monkeying with how something is otherwise calculated, tracked and/or reported...
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