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re: The Abortion Debate Will Never Be Solved

Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:10 pm to
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86430 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:10 pm to
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In the case of rape or having the life of the mother at risk, I think most reasonable people would understand why a woman may want/choose to end the pregnancy. I


These are 1% of abortions
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:07 am to
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You are spouting a bunch of philosophy....True honesty would be admitting you don't care about babies and are fine with them being sucked up with suction tubes and ripped apart.
Simplistic “analysis” from a simple man.

This is inherently a philosophical question.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:16 am to
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If I jump purposely jump up and down on a nest of sea-turtle eggs I'm getting fined $25,000 and probably going to jail. Just a clump of reptile cells in an egg.
Such a painfully stupid argument.

Reptile eggs are not sentient and do not have legal rights. Nonetheless, we have decided (as a society) to protect Sea Turtle eggs, because they are exceedingly rare. By contrast, box turtle eggs are not rare at all, and thus we have not chosen to protect them.

Human embryos are not sentient, do not have legal rights and are not rare, and we (as a society) have not chosen to protect them.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6349 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:48 am to
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In order to have even the slightest hope of a civil and objective discussion on this topic, BOTH GODDAM SIDES need to stop their ridiculous marketing efforts thru loaded language. Pro-Choice vs Anti-Choice Pro-Life vs Murders

It is just childish.


And yet you cleverly and, in my mind, disingenuously engage in "marketing" your argument with language not "loaded" but empty of practical relevant meaning. You prep the rhetorical field of battle clouding the issue with your most favored, hand picked term "sentient" applying it to yet born humans. Depending on how broadly or narrowly sentient and its qualifiers are defined and co-mingling common, medical, scientific, and animal rights aspects of its definition you can always obfuscate away the simple fact that within a human female's uterus exists a living human child that, absent a natural or man made abortion, will be born alive.

Similarly, though excoriating the manipulation of rhetoric you engage in it with carefully crafted statements confining the terms of discussion to your advantage. Like this:
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You either support abortion rights, or you do not. Clean, unemotional language. Now, discuss the topic like adults.

Let me offer my position:
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You either support a right to life, or you do not. Clean, unemotional language. Now, discuss the topic like adults.

I find your arguments and tactics not childish but self-serving and ghoulish.

Our Republic's highest ideals upon which we probably both admire and agree confer upon the yet born human infant the right you so forcefully and effectively deny them.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7054 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:43 am to
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Simplistic “analysis” from a simple man.


logical fallacy - ad hominem. Typical of someone with no point

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This is inherently a philosophical question.


It is understandable why you want to frame it that way. Philosophically is your only avenue to dehumanize the unborn, and justify your support of their killing. Arbitrary nonsense is the only path you have.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 10:03 am to
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This is inherently a philosophical question.
It is understandable why you want to frame it that way. Philosophically is your only avenue to dehumanize the unborn, and justify your support of their killing. Arbitrary nonsense is the only path you have.
What basis other than "philosophy" could POSSIBLY determine what organism will have a "right to life" and what organism will not?"

If your answer is as simple as "it is a distinct member of the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens," even THAT contains an element of philosophy ... the belief that a member of that species (and only that species) is entitled to have legal rights. Not very sophisticated philosophy, but a rough form of philosophy nonetheless.
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