re: That Means It's Working!

Atkinson is an amazingly great journalist

EverettScott is paid antifa scum

AMS is a looney tunes sheep

ALL CDC does is talk shite

meaningless propagandist shite

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You are 100% better off with the vaccine which is why doctors are still recommending them for the previously infected.

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No

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fellate means ... well, y'all look it up, gumps

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There's absolutely no difference.

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No there is a difference hence the need for boosters with the mRNA “vaccines”.

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There’s no delta variant and they have never shown us what the corona looks like. 

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Neither of these things is true.

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Because the stupid mRNA “vaccines” bypass important parts of your immune system and tell your body to make antibodies. They wear off over time.

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You’re suggesting they are T-independent? Like polysaccharide vaccines? What is being bypassed?

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You’re suggesting they are T-independent? Like polysaccharide vaccines? What is being bypassed?

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I’d have to knock the dust off my microbiology textbooks to get into details but something is being bypassed if the immune system doesn’t remember interacting with the virus. The mRNA vaccines are creating antibodies. When a mRNA vaccinated person catches Covid, the body isn’t quickly going into defense mode via antibody production as if it remembered the virus. Sure you could say that the antibodies are already present and it doesn’t need to, which is true, but why do mRNA vaccinated people need booster shots? Don’t tell me it’s because of the delta variant because that is blatantly false. Delta and COVID-19 are so closely related that the damn vaccines aren’t even being updated.

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The mRNA vaccines are creating antibodies. When a mRNA vaccinated person catches Covid, the body isn’t quickly going into defense mode via antibody production as if it remembered the virus.

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Firstly, the mRNA only has one immunologic antigen present, the spike protein, which should produce RBD antibodies. The purpose, I think, is molecular, and is to take advantage of the relatively high mutation rate of RNA viruses generally, as RNA viruses generally exist as a range of genomic sequences around a predominant sequence. Putting selective pressure around that predominant sequence could drive the virus to error catastrophe, but as far as I’m aware, the designers of the mRNA sequence haven’t been explicit about the reasoning for that sequence in particular, as it relates to other advances in molecular biology (in terms of a biased-epitope response across a population). There’s plenty of arguments you could advance that the mRNA sequence chosen isn’t as robust as originally conceived. But if the mRNA is having cells express the spike protein on cell surfaces, it should conceivably undergo antigen-presentation through both MHC I and II molecules.

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why do mRNA vaccinated people need booster shots?

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If the vaccine is provoking a T-independent response, you will see B cell activation but relatively poor B cell memory. The Th2 response through CD4+ T cells generally produces a more robust antibody response, and that is the one that is generally elicited, except for polysaccharide based vaccines, which use a T-independent response, and are considered weakly immunologic, in a relative sense. If the MHC II response isn’t robust enough, that is an easy, immediate case for a booster, because the immune response was T-independent rather than T-dependent.