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re: Texas has more clean energy installed than California

Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:48 pm to
I’ll stand by my source, but could have been off on my plant size in the statement.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 10:50 pm
Posted by Maxx99
Great state of TX
Member since Oct 2013
691 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:25 am to
Foreign entities masquerading as Texas LLCs are praying on little old ladies in rural areas for their farm land on the promise of generational wealth for their heirs. None of the kids want the responsibility of farming the land so these 500 acre solar farms are popular.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55381 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:32 am to
I am a subscriber, and a daily reader, of Matthew Yglesias’ substack, and I regularly read Derek Thompson and Ezra Klein, including their book Abundance. They are all center-leftists who make the same point you are emphasizing - that leftists can’t get anything done anymore.

It’s even worse in Europe, which is why their economies have been so moribund for so many decades.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
6231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:34 am to
Nah...look how may ifs and buts there are on solar. Gas plants run regardless.

So, you measure a 24 hr output of both, period. And do that for a year. Then compare.

And you haven't even touched the durability side of having a power supply from both.

Solar is almost a guaranteed failure
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55381 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:38 am to
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It would take a 60,000 acre solar farm to equal the amount of electricity produced by a single natural gas fired power plant.

Stated that way it is meaningless. I could also say that it’s 30,000 acres, or 1 acre; it depends on the size of the natural gas power plant.

Anyway, the size of the plant is a foolish argument. We have plenty of space. If we put enough solar plants to run our entire country in southern Utah you would go the rest of your life without seeing them unless you went looking for them. On the other hand, our grid would be expensive as hell and extremely unreliable, which are the real arguments against it.
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
2875 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:48 am to
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we put enough solar plants to run our entire country in southern Utah you would go the rest of your life without seeing them unless you went looking for them. On the other hand


I didn’t realize not seeing them was the only criteria. Fine to wipe out natural areas and habitat I guess.

The sunlight that is reflected back into space in the desert, what does it become when it is instead trapped on Earth via solar panels? (It becomes heat, the thing zealots are worried about)
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 7:50 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173558 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:50 am to
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It would take a 60,000 acre solar farm to equal the amount of electricity produced by a single natural gas fired power plant.

Makes perfect sense because all natural gas plants are exactly the same capacity
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
15744 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:53 am to
I'd rather have another power plant lake to fish than see solar farms or those blinking red lights of windmills.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173558 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:54 am to
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but lakes don't spawn after you build a power plant. Power plants are built near existing bodies of water.
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
15744 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:01 am to
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'm not sure if you're aware of this but lakes don't spawn after you build a power plant. Power plants are built near existing bodies of water.


thats not necessarily true in texas. Just in the Houston area alone you have Gibbons Creek, Lake Fayette, and Smither's Lake that I am aware of. If you want to argue that those were creeks that were damned to impound and create a lake so be it.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23897 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:11 am to
Pass by a number of enormous solar farms around Needville, TX several times a week.

Doesn’t look that clean to me., Most of the solar farms are on leased land. 20 year leases. When lease is up, the solar company can walk away. Not required to dismantle or remove anything.

Going to a huge non-recyclable mess for someone to clean up and dispose of. Clean energy? Hardly.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18013 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:59 am to
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Makes perfect sense because all natural gas plants are exactly the same capacity

It makes even less sense when you realize the largest natural gas gen unit in the world is 8.7GW and 60k acres of solar would be around 12GW.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18013 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:00 am to
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When lease is up, the solar company can walk away. Not required to dismantle or remove anything.

You have no clue whats in those contracts. The vast majority have remediation built in.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85005 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:01 am to
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Nothing ‘clean’ about that garbage.


Agree, but alternative sources that diversify things aren't a bad thing. Let the markets dictate the way things go, not the government.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55381 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:12 am to
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The sunlight that is reflected back into space in the desert, what does it become when it is instead trapped on Earth via solar panels? (It becomes heat, the thing zealots are worried about)

You haven’t thought that through. The heat that you correctly point out that we are now trapping is taking the place of the heat from burning hydrocarbons. I’m not sure how it all shakes out, but I doubt it is a net increase.
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