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Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:28 am to VOR
Miraculous timing what a coincidence!
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:39 am to Marcus Aurelius
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Does the PTA address "lying to federal officials" or "obstruction of justice"?
You can obstruct a non crime? Thats a hot take, certainly something ripping the country apart over to prosecute your political enemies.
Somethung you pieces of shite are overlooking.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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while he's in jail.
No criminal history, 77 years old, I'm thinking he'd get house arrest.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 11:40 am to Marcus Aurelius
Lol sickening how you Ronbot clowns are rooting this bs on. Weak pussies.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:07 pm to Strannix
The issue within the PRA is that it contains a section which defines what a Presidential Record is and what a Personal record is.
The document can’t give the President sole decision making on what is Personal and Presidential while also saying Personal records are A B C and Presidential records are D E F. Either the PRA defines each document type or the President defines each document type. Both cannot be true.
The courts will need to clarify this during the trial.
The document can’t give the President sole decision making on what is Personal and Presidential while also saying Personal records are A B C and Presidential records are D E F. Either the PRA defines each document type or the President defines each document type. Both cannot be true.
The courts will need to clarify this during the trial.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:31 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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Nope.
The only question is whether they should have charged him with (d) instead of (e) as (d) applies to documents lawfully possessed.
The bottom line is that it wouldn't really matter if he was authorized or unauthorized to possess the docs as the statute applies to both.
You’re missing the point here. You can’t have a DOJ that selectively decides which laws they are going to enforce. A report comes out that the Russia investigation was completely made up by members of the Intel community and not one member of the FBI, DOJ, etc is prosecuted. A president was impeached for a made up situation. Either apply the law fairly or don’t apply the law at all.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:17 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:I just ignore him usually. He is trying Parmen level trolling. The only humor I have seen from him in years is him pointing out a jew hater saying jews were satanists and saying
You're just a bat shite loon at this point.
Eta more context.
You search out data points from the dumbest and least significant idiots on this board so you can construct a narrative and framework to classify the majority of the board. You do this to cope with the fact the institutions around which you've built your life are trash.
You're guilty of the same confirmation bias you love to pin on others. You're not clever or enlightened. You're just like the people you use to marginalize people better than you.
Do better.
Ask him if generational satanism is real.
The edgy fake moderacy trolling used to work better circa 2012ish.
It is quite comical watching the TomPettifoggers, Lou Cream Pai's act all conservative to the right of nuns on abortion, defending Ron in bizarre trolling.
Or Lou Cream Pai saying anyone that voted for Obama (Lake) has no conservative ideals as if he is one himself.
We have an admin that voted for Obama hoping for real change. Does he not have a 'conservative voice' now? Is he not qualified to support meatball jesus?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:05 pm to bayouboo
quote:it had already been ruled in the Clinton case that the mere fact of a record being in the president's possession means it's presumed to be personal. That's case law and precedent
The issue within the PRA is that it contains a section which defines what a Presidential Record is and what a Personal record is.
The document can’t give the President sole decision making on what is Personal and Presidential while also saying Personal records are A B C and Presidential records are D E F. Either the PRA defines each document type or the President defines each document type. Both cannot be true.
The courts will need to clarify this during the trial.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:43 pm to narddogg81
Clinton’s recordings were ruled that they were Personal records, which is why the judge ruled in his favor.
Each of the documents in question in Trump’s case will be looked at in terms of Presidential vs Personal.
It will be interesting to see if they follow the PRA to the letter for each document.
My guess is that this is going to the SCOTUS for a final ruling.
Each of the documents in question in Trump’s case will be looked at in terms of Presidential vs Personal.
It will be interesting to see if they follow the PRA to the letter for each document.
My guess is that this is going to the SCOTUS for a final ruling.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:15 pm to Strannix
Technically you can. It sounds crazy and antithetical, but if you "obstruct" the FBI or they catch you in a lie about something.....anything and if they are motivated, it can be construed as a crime. Ask Scooter Libby or Martha Stewart. Libby got convicted because he misremembered, realized his mistake , told the FBI he was mistaken and still got nailed.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:29 pm to ChineseBandit58
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There are enough laws on the books that anyone can be found guilty of some interpretation of some of them -
This... and they keep writing more.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:33 pm to narddogg81
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it had already been ruled in the Clinton case that the mere fact of a record being in the president's possession means it's presumed to be personal. That's case law and precedent
Not what the Judicial Watch case said at all. The Clinton tapes were ruled personal records. Even if you think that was a close call at best, the Trump docs clearly aren't personal.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:41 pm to Jimmy Montrose
To the extent the PRA arguments aren't a complete red herring.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You're just a batshit loon at this point.
Based on what?
quote:
You search out data points from the dumbest and least significant idiots on this board so you can construct a narrative and framework to classify the majority of the board.
I specifically defined the group I was speaking of (Patriots)
Where did I reference "the board"?
quote:
You're guilty of the same confirmation bias you love to pin on others.
In what way?
quote:
You're just like the people you use to marginalize people better than you.
What people do I use? Cite specific instances.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:47 pm to cajunangelle
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I just ignore him usually. He is trying Parmen level trolling
Says the person who keeps posting a citation of Trump declassifying Crossfire Hurricane documents in response to discussions of Trump's latest indictments, which have nothing to do with CF. I don't even think you understand why the reference is so bad.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:48 pm to Strannix
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You can obstruct a non crime?
Yes. Obstruction is a separate crime. So is lying to federal officials.
Like I said on page 1, ask Martha Stewart about that.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No criminal history, 77 years old, I'm thinking he'd get house arrest.
Again. Ask Martha Stewart.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes. Obstruction is a separate crime. So is lying to federal officials.
You're a saint to try to explain it to that guy.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:03 pm to Jimmy Montrose
I already did on page 1 but he ignored it. Even gave him an example
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