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re: Ted Cruz Shares Anti-Catholic Conspiracy
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:24 pm to METAL
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:24 pm to METAL
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Finally, the Reformation argument assumes the Church fell into doctrinal corruption for more than a thousand years and was later corrected by individuals appealing to their own interpretation of Scripture.
Does it though?
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That is the tension Protestantism has never really solved. Because they can’t.
Are you holding a faith with no tension? Perhaps you have a different Christology than me.
Your proclamations of what tensions should keep me awake at night are altogether unconvincing.
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Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:25 pm to JoeHackett
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Just for the record this is an actual example of a straw man.
In the context of that disorganized screed, it is not.
The writer, who is a Jewish person, establishes an imaginary red line for good vs bad Catholic, but sets it so that the majority of Catholics fall into the Groyper category.
This whole thing is a defense of Jews being God's chosen people. I don't follow Fuentes and think Prot Tucker is a loon. I also don't interpret the use of the people of Israel as the current people of the state of Israel. That's the entire backbone of this article. And Ted's whole point for agreeing with it.
This post was edited on 3/16/26 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Seems rather belied by the fact that most Catholics don't even know what it is.
Article wants to sort of have it both ways, though. I'd love so see the author take a stab as to what percent of Catholics he believes adhere to the ideas of "Catholic integralism" so as to constitute something more than a fringe movement. I'm pretty sure, I've never met anyone who does.
I don't know if I would characterize it as wanting it both ways since she also admitted that the majority of Catholics are unaware of integralism.
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In fact, I would argue that but for the influencer and opinion shaper class, everyday Catholics don’t even know its happening.
However fringe it might be, it's important to know about and I would argue more important for Catholics so they can combat this idea within their own ranks.
Most Catholics I know aren't interested in open borders even though the Catholic Church is very instrumental in getting illegals into the US
If Integralism is at the heart of this in an effort to get more Central and South Americans, who are largely Catholic, into the country. I would argue that a fringe group is creating a rather large problem.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:27 pm to JoeHackett
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Integralism would explain the desire of the Catholic Church to get as many Central and South Americans into the country as possible.
The claims of Catholic growth in the United States skip over the fact that it is most prevalent in border states.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:28 pm to JoeHackett
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I don't know if I would characterize it as wanting it both ways since she also admitted that the majority of Catholics are unaware of integralism.
Right. To me that's pretty much the definition of "fringe."
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:28 pm to TigersWin88
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Do Protestants believe the Church didn’t exist for 1500 years, before Luther came around?
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:29 pm to the808bass
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Protestant liberal
No this bullshite was started after WWII when “Judeo Christian” began being shoved down everyone’s throats when our nation is a Christian founded nation.
Protestants have been infiltrated by Marxists across the country.
At least people are starting to fight back.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
She also lumps protestants who don't support the Iran operation in with the bad Catholics. 
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:31 pm to willymeaux
I laughed.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:31 pm to the808bass
Ah, so the tension is just supposed to disappear if we ignore it. Got it.
If the Church could fall into doctrinal corruption for over a thousand years, then the same Church that recognized the canon of Scripture was also corrupted while doing it. That means the very list of books you call the Bible would be the product of that corrupted Church. You still have not explained why that decision should suddenly be trustworthy while everything else is not.
Saying “the Spirit guided it” does not solve that problem. Every group in Christian history has claimed the Spirit for their position while disagreeing with each other.
And no, the point was never that Christianity has no tensions. The point is that Protestantism creates a very specific historical problem. It accepts the Bible recognized by the historic Church while rejecting the authority of the Church that recognized it.
But if dismissing that as “unconvincing” helps you sleep better at night, by all means rest easy. I would not want to disturb such a well educated and clearly superior intellect.
If the Church could fall into doctrinal corruption for over a thousand years, then the same Church that recognized the canon of Scripture was also corrupted while doing it. That means the very list of books you call the Bible would be the product of that corrupted Church. You still have not explained why that decision should suddenly be trustworthy while everything else is not.
Saying “the Spirit guided it” does not solve that problem. Every group in Christian history has claimed the Spirit for their position while disagreeing with each other.
And no, the point was never that Christianity has no tensions. The point is that Protestantism creates a very specific historical problem. It accepts the Bible recognized by the historic Church while rejecting the authority of the Church that recognized it.
But if dismissing that as “unconvincing” helps you sleep better at night, by all means rest easy. I would not want to disturb such a well educated and clearly superior intellect.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:32 pm to Sweep Da Leg
You’re misunderstanding what the author is meaning by “Protestant liberal.” You could substitute “Enlightenment Protestantism” very appropriately there.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:33 pm to METAL
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Ah, so the tension is just supposed to disappear if we ignore it. Got it.
If that’s what you got from my post then we are truly talking past one another. Light a candle.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:34 pm to msutiger
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Trump’s voters deserve better than to be used as raw material for a project imported from Russian geopolitical theory and pre-Vatican II European political theology. Their grievances were real. Their political revolt was legitimate. They did not sign up to be the transitional base of a movement whose actual architects intend to replace them with a more ideologically coherent Catholic nationalist coalition once the evangelical infrastructure has been sufficiently dismantled
This entire paragraph, with the exception of the first four words, from Insurection Barbie is flawed.
Trumps base does deserve better. We deserve not to be dragged into a war our "ally" wants. We deserve better than an "ally's" leader who gets up and tells his people not to worry, he owns us. We deserved DOGE with a congress willing to enact the changes. We deserve SAVE. We deserve to no longer be beholden to the MIC. We deserve so much more, but suddenly, we have GHWB.
If they wish to pin the distaste for this military action on Catholics, fine. Let them. I care not. It is just dishonest Bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/16/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:35 pm to the808bass
You still haven’t addressed the actual point.
You accept the New Testament canon that was recognized by the historic Church while simultaneously claiming that same Church was doctrinally corrupted for centuries. That’s the tension I’m pointing out.
Saying we’re “talking past each other” doesn’t resolve it. It just avoids answering it.
You accept the New Testament canon that was recognized by the historic Church while simultaneously claiming that same Church was doctrinally corrupted for centuries. That’s the tension I’m pointing out.
Saying we’re “talking past each other” doesn’t resolve it. It just avoids answering it.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:35 pm to GRTiger
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She also lumps protestants who don't support the Iran operation in with the bad Catholics.
Yeah. She’s wrong about that.
People can disagree with Trump’s actions in Iran without being in on some plot to restart the Third Reich.
But running around screaming that Jews killed Charlie so Trump would attack Iran isn’t convincing either.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:38 pm to UtahCajun
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Trumps base does deserve better. We deserve not to be dragged into a war our "ally" wants. We deserve better than an "ally's" leader who gets up and tells his people not to worry, he owns us. We deserved DOGE with a congress willing to enact the changes. We deserve SAVE. We deserve to no longer be beholden to the MIC. We deserve so much more, but suddenly, we have GHWB.
Trump's base was told, repeatedly, who Trump was. Trump himself told you, repeatedly, who he is... You got the Trump you voted for. Be mad at yourselves and learn to vote better in the future.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:38 pm to METAL
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You accept the New Testament canon that was recognized by the historic Church while simultaneously claiming that same Church was doctrinally corrupted for centuries. That’s the tension I’m pointing out.
I don’t believe it was doctrinally corrupted for centuries. I believe it ended up corrupted (still due to my sentience).
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Saying we’re “talking past each other” doesn’t resolve it.
When I point out that faith is inherently full of “tensions” and you respond with gibberish, we are talking past each other. You asking me to answer for the tension like a menstruating woman while ignoring my plain meaning isn’t a debate.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:39 pm to the808bass
She's a scam artist and likely used AI to write some or all of that article. There are historical errors and context abandoning assumptions all over that crap.
Ted is a clown for enhancing this junk.
Ted is a clown for enhancing this junk.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 2:40 pm to GRTiger
Ted’s position on Israel is incomprehensible to me.
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