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Posted on 3/16/26 at 12:55 pm to METAL
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Do you know what an Ecclesia or a Qahal is?
Ekklesia is the preposition “ek” + “kalew” which means called out from. It was originally used to denote civic gatherings and adopted by the early believers as referring to both the gathered body of local believers and the universal church.
In the Septuagint, ekklesia is used to translate the Hebrew qahal. The Hebrew qahal has a similar semantic domain to ekklesia with the addition that it is used of military purposes to denote something like an army as well as political or religious gatherings.
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Additionally, you wouldn’t have a Bible, the framework of your entire belief system, if it wasn’t for the early universal church.
It was nice of God to meet with the Pope and hand him the MSS of the New Testament. Thanks, Pope.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 12:59 pm to the808bass
So you are familiar with the words and their root meanings. I find that to be interesting.
Demeaning someone’s point doesn’t make you right. Clearly, the Bible was given to you via the early church and ecumenical councils. Yet you reject that very Church.
Demeaning someone’s point doesn’t make you right. Clearly, the Bible was given to you via the early church and ecumenical councils. Yet you reject that very Church.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:01 pm to lurking
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Israel killed a Catholic priest in Lebanon last week. They claimed his church in a town of 8,000 residents sheltered hezbollah.
Very convenient.
Or maybe the church was sheltering Hezbollah.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:03 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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The harder I study, the further I get from all those, especially the RCC.
To be a Christian outside of any of those is absurd. They don’t have the priesthood, apostolic succession, or the sacraments. To say you have the faith without the deposit given by Jesus Christ is quite the take.
For example, the liturgy of the Church existed prior to the books of the Bible being canonized. (The Church still uses the 73 inspired books from the Council of Rome in 382). Even the earliest of Church Fathers, St. Ignatius of Antioch, wrote about the Eucharist being the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ in 110 AD.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:06 pm to METAL
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So you are familiar with the words and their root meanings. I find that to be interesting.
Great. I’m glad you’re interested.
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Demeaning someone’s point doesn’t make you right. Clearly, the Bible was given to you via the early church and ecumenical councils. Yet you reject that very Church.
I was mocking the simplistic presentation of a complex textual history that you boiled down to “tha Cathlicks did it.” I will continue to mock it. The Muratorian fragment predates the councils by centuries. The canon was ratified by the Catholics. It was not created ex nihilo in 397. The books in dispute were very limited at that point. It was a ratification of what the Spirit had already made clear. God doesn’t have to wait for a vote to speak.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:08 pm to BTROleMisser
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Or maybe the church was sheltering Hezbollah.
I don’t doubt your preacher told you that.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:09 pm to the808bass
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It was nice of God to meet with the Pope and hand him the MSS of the New Testament. Thanks, Pope.
The funny thing is, you should literally be thanking a Pope.
Pope Damasus I, to be exact. The synod in Rome (often called the Council of Rome) in 382, canonized the 73 books of the Bible. Do Protestants believe the Church didn’t exist for 1500 years, before Luther came around?
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:10 pm to ShoeBang
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Protestants give Catholics way too much energy in a never ending effort to legitimize their own religion don’t they?
Growing up protestant, I can say we don't think much about you at all. We think your need to put a man between a person and God is ridiculous, but we basically think about you like Americans think about the British - you're cute but not really to be taken seriously.
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It’s almost as if Protestantism can’t be good unless the religion they are derived from is not only wrong, but evil.
That's a bold, baseless assertion. I don't need to use another religion to justify my own. You remind me of State fans trying to act as if they are as relevant as the flagship university.
This country was founded on Protestantism. Our Founding Fathers didn't trust Catholics because they were worried about loyalty to the Pope instead of the country.
Protestantism is the religion of America, whether you like it or not.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:12 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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we don't think much about you at all
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but we basically think about you like Americans think about the British - you're cute but not really to be taken seriously.
We found the king of inseucrity here.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:13 pm to TigersWin88
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The funny thing is, you should literally be thanking a Pope. Pope Damasus I, to be exact. The synod in Rome (often called the Council of Rome) in 382, canonized the 73 books of the Bible. Do Protestants believe the Church didn’t exist for 1500 years, before Luther came around?
Y’all get confident throwing things around that you don’t fully grasp. It’s always a fun read. Keep it coming. I’ll save some of these for bumper stickers to market on Amazon to Catholics.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:16 pm to the808bass
No one is claiming the canon was created out of thin air in 397. Catholics agree the books were widely used long before that. The point is who had the authority to settle the disputes that still existed.
The Muratorian Fragment itself proves the canon wasn’t universally settled yet. Hebrews, James, 1 and 2 Peter, and others were debated in different regions for centuries. That’s exactly why the councils were necessary.
Saying “the Spirit had already made it clear” doesn’t solve the problem, because Christians clearly didn’t all agree on the same list of books. Someone had to make a binding determination.
Historically, that determination came through the councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393), and Carthage (397) under the authority of the Church. So the question still stands: if the Church didn’t have the authority to recognize the canon, what authority told you which books belong in the Bible?
The Muratorian Fragment itself proves the canon wasn’t universally settled yet. Hebrews, James, 1 and 2 Peter, and others were debated in different regions for centuries. That’s exactly why the councils were necessary.
Saying “the Spirit had already made it clear” doesn’t solve the problem, because Christians clearly didn’t all agree on the same list of books. Someone had to make a binding determination.
Historically, that determination came through the councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393), and Carthage (397) under the authority of the Church. So the question still stands: if the Church didn’t have the authority to recognize the canon, what authority told you which books belong in the Bible?
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:17 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
This is just not true. Like even a little.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:24 pm to METAL
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what authority told you which books belong in the Bible?
Here’s getting to the meat of it. There’s a fundamental disconnect on resolving internecine squabbles. The Catholic view is not the same as the Protestant view. And the Catholics ask the Protestants, what Pope do you follow? And find that to be a winning argument. It’s an analogous argument to my “God doesn’t wait for a vote to speak.”
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:26 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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We think your need to put a man between a person and God is ridiculous
This is anti-biblical. In Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus gave Peter (a man) the keys of the kingdom of Heaven. “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
In Matthew 18:18 Jesus gives this power of the keys to the other Apostles.
In John 20:21-23 Jesus gave the 12 Apostles the power to forgive sins. “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”
Read the early Church Fathers. No Christian before the 1500’s believed what Protestants today do.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:28 pm to theunknownknight
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Instead of engaging the argument, they attack the critic—hoping to discredit the message by labeling the messenger as someone unworthy of being heard.
The people you see constantly attacking opposing viewpoints with slurs and derogatory labels are often the ones pushing an agenda of destruction. When you see that tactic, go the other direction.
Even worse is when those same voices claim to represent Christianity while speaking with the mouth of a demon and the heart of evil.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:29 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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we basically think about you like Americans think about the British - you're cute but not really to be taken seriously.
That’s interesting. The only time we think about you is when we’re forced to listen to the whining and teeth gnashing over your dying faith as former Protestants flee your guitars and flannel shirts to convert to Catholicism.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:31 pm to the808bass
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Y’all get confident throwing things around that you don’t fully grasp.
How ironic.
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