re: Tariffs on importers from China going to 25% Friday, apparently

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you have 100% failed to argue that IP of Microsoft, let alone IP in general, is or should be a main concern to "average worker". your own connection here between the two is weak af

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No he didn't. Like with the Steel, you took what he stated wrong. You do it on purpose in every thread.

You are a troll that's not capable of having a normal grown conversation.

Protection of intellectual property (IP), through patents, trademarks and copyrights, is critical to ensuring that firms pursue innovation. Counterfeiting and piracy erode the returns on innovation and slow economic growth because of the negative impacts on companies, consumers and governments. While the problem is worldwide, China accounts for the vast majority of pirated goods seized at the U.S. border.

READ THAT SLOWLY.... That can put small companies out of business. THEN READ THIS SLOWLY:

IP theft is costing U.S. companies hundreds of billions of dollars in losses(due to the above) and more than 2 million jobs.
(again due to the above)

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but it is just laughably far away from being any kind of primary interest for the average worker. that's just some weak-arse frameshifting by trump advocates

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Tell the to the 2 million people who lost jobs... or to the people who pay MORE for the products now due to the 100s of billions lost by companies.

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but not consumers really

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And you would be wrong... Where do the loses go? it's factored into the price of the legit product.


IP infringement harms companies through lost revenue, the costs of IP protection, damage to brand, and decreased incentives to innovate because of potential theft. Consumers are harmed when they purchase counterfeit goods of lower quality, some of which, such as counterfeit medicines, may pose health or safety risks. Governments lose tax revenue and bear enforcement costs. Decreased incentives to innovate resulting from IP infringement reduce economic growth, weaken the nation’s competitiveness, and decrease job creation.

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Tell the to the 2 million people who lost jobs

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walk me through that. who lost actual jobs to china because of IP?

production workers? software engineers? marginal cost of IP is zero.

American Superconductors Corporation (AMSC) was a victim of China. AMSC created the code and controls to operate large wind turbines and partnered with a Chinese-government backed private company, Sinovel Wind Group. Co, to manufacture the turbines themselves. After a booming business launch that saw AMSC grow revenue from $50 million to $500 million, ASMC eventually lost over a billion dollars in share value as Sinovel stole all of its intellectual property and began creating and selling its own turbines.


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That's the bottom line.






Trump is president and the tariffs have not hurt the consumer.

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I dont like the multi lateral deals like TPP because you are forced to negotiate against the trading power of the entire bloc

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everyone is. that's a big part of why they're likely to result in the lowest trade barriers and the most stability

that's what you should want unless you don't actually want increased trade

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not when the marginal cost is 0

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LOL!


Bless your heart man.

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the price already includes the fact that the producer has a monopoly on it

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WOW!

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WOW!

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we've been talking about microsoft bro. IP protection for software like is explicitly designed to protect against the fact that it is effectively costless to reproduce

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That is the way theft works. Costs are built in and passed on to honest consumers. Your presumption otherwise is painfully simpleton.

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Ballmer fought hard against the "IP theft." Yet, after his departure they not only decided to tamper down the fight, they actually gave free upgrades to those with pirate software.

And in the little over 5 years since he left, revenue has increased by a solid 8% per year, and both net income and EBIDTA increased by about 10% per year. And their stock has increased by over 27% per year. His last day as CEO, Microsoft's market cap was $268.6 billion it closed at $992.4 billion yesterday.

And it makes sense. While he was stuck in this archaic model, likely based on a time when they had a huge control of the market share of operating systems, office software (word, excel, PowerPoint, etc.), and internet browsers. But since then, not only has there been more proprietary competition, but open source software (Linux; Google's alternatives to office; R and Python; Android, etc.) or quasi-open source (Chrome), has grown exponentially. And the trend even for other pricy alternatives (Apple) has been to create an integrative and collaborative environment for users (and companies) and move toward cloud based computing as well.

Microsoft has now embraced that, and despite IP theft, Microsoft went from a company that looked like it's best days were well behind it when Ballmer was there, to becoming a giant again.

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Take AMerican Semiconductor

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Now this seems like a clear example of IP theft, but Sinovel just straight up bribed a guy for the source code. But a lot of accusations are not nearly as clear-cut as that. They're often a company recreating a product.

And while I get the problems with that, I think that is far closer to the line of taking an idea and either making it better, more widely available, and/or more applicable to the real-world that has been a huge benefit to a market based system.

Just look at Apple. They rarely create an idea from scratch. Instead, they usually take someone else’s idea and make it better, cooler, and/or more convenient for the consumer.

Or look at Walmart and Target, two companies competing with Amazon and the changing retail environment towards online. Instead of doubling-down on their older models, they embraced the online business market, and then used their brick and mortar stores and their efficient supply-chains as quasi-distribution centers.

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where? don't they have plants and assets all over the world?

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Well as a wind turbine software company, the Chinese market has a uniquely disproportionate share. So losing that after the company they partnered with bribed a guy with $2 million and more (women) for their source code, I think they have one of the best (maybe the best) complaints out there.

That being said, I think a lot of the complaints are far less egregious and just piggy-backing off of these types of examples.