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re: Tariffs are Taxes and Increase Prices for Consumers

Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:39 am to
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27611 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:39 am to
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Yet income taxes are way down.


Way down in the U.S.?
Or way down compared to other countries like France?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297270 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:40 am to
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The tarrifs are absolutely not socialist in and of themselves.


they are leftist, and statist.


Promoting the power of govt over the power of individuals (except Trump himself) and re-engineering society to his will.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10395 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:41 am to
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To keep US goods out of their economy.


You admit that other countries have tariffs to keep US goods out, but you still think we should let them all sell their subsidized goods here.

And this is the problem with the anti-tariff bros. You will let American companies die due to unfair trade practices while getting pissed at the one guy in DC who cares about protecting Americans.

You are willing to let Americans go unemployed while gleefully bolstering the economies of our adversaries. Play out that scenario and see where it leaves the country in a couple decades.

You rightfully complain about all the people on welfare but then support policies that put more people on welfare by restricting the markets of American companies. The low cost of goods is irrelevant when our citizens don't have the income to spend in the first place.

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Tariffs don’t have the same outcome in the US vs internationally.


And now we've gone from tariffs are bad to tariffs are only bad for America.

Even worse than that, you people think we should let congress get involved in foreign policy and trade. Congress can't even fund the government because democrats want to give money to illegals, but sure, let's take away the president's power to swiftly respond to economic threats and wait around for those guys to accomplish something. That will do wonders for the country when China stops shipping a vital product.

You are placing global economic principles above the prosperity of the country. That's exactly what all the UN/WTO people want. They get the left with white guilt and the right with their emotional attachment to economic practices. Both sides are falling victim to their perceived moral superiority.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6165 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:42 am to
So was Obama Care
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297270 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:43 am to
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You admit that other countries have tariffs to keep US goods out, but you still think we should let them all sell their subsidized goods here.


absolutely.

Which country has the best economy???? Do you want to be like shithole countries?


Let me tell you something Junior, if China is subsidizing your wealth, you are winning

Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
3580 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:43 am to
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Tariffs are Taxes and Increase Prices for Consumers


American labor was never meant to compete with those on slave wages in the first place

We must restore manufacturing here, though it will likely be automated we need the goods produced here
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170709 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:45 am to
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Let me tell you something Junior, if China is subsidizing your wealth, you are winning


I posed this theoretical a while back

If China is going to subsidize the shite out of things like photovoltaic panels we would be stupid to not buy them up at such a discount

Better than us subsidizing them
Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
Member since Dec 2014
2605 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:47 am to
Is that satire?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170709 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:48 am to
I hope so

I'm puzzled as how manufacturing and selling products is leaching off of anyone
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297270 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:48 am to
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If China is going to subsidize the shite out of things like photovoltaic panels we would be stupid to not buy them up at such a discount




Absolutely. It builds wealth here.

I dont think these baws realize we subsidize corporations too, we just never get the cheap prices we should expect.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297270 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:53 am to
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American labor was never meant to compete with those on slave wages in the first place


Whats slave labor? Your definition.

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We must restore manufacturing here, though it will likely be automated we need the goods produced here


We have more than enough mfg here. The jobs pay better and require more skill than basic rubber dog shite factories so baws need to step up and help themselves first and go back to school or learn skills.

Youre trying to save the crackheads and the meth heads. You will fail.

Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1605 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:59 am to
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I know and understand things you couldn't begin to imagine
If you claim to not be an adherent of Islam, you are an infidel. Any disagreement on that topic is ignorant and idiotic. You obviously don't know the Quran, the Hadith and contemporary conservative Islamic praxis.

I can't believe you still think that. Did you even bother to attempt to get educated on the topic since our last discussion? Such as kafir?

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You got an English version?
powerloser said democrats don't agree with the tarrifs.

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it's just an additional tax
You can childishly continue to call them whatever you want but that's not the question. The question is if they're beneficial and given the revenue that has poured in and the prospect of manufacturing repatriation, the answer is yes. The degree to which they've been beneficial at this early stage can certainly be debated but there is no question someone with a spine needed to address the trade situation and there's probably no person on the planet better suited to that task than Trump
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16036 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:03 pm to
I would have thought it would have been 18 million new illegals getting $5k/month in free subsidies, skyrocketing insurance premiums due to the Obamacare failure and Biden killing 100,00's of chickens and cows on the way out but maybe it's Tariffs, who knows.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1605 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:04 pm to
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they are leftist
If by leftist you mean socialist, then you are wrong and I explained it.

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statist
Protecting American manufacturing so that american consumers will benefit in the long run? I'm in favor of that

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Promoting the power of govt over the power of individuals (except Trump himself) and re-engineering society to his will.
Teenage girl drama. Pure TDS and you are a person who can't be taken seriously
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4754 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:05 pm to
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I asked the one liberal in here a few weeks ago why it was okay for every country to have tarrifs against the US but the US can't have any tarrifs on any other country.

He was just shrugged his shoulders and said the other countries shouldn't tarrif us either lol


Milton Friedman said it best...

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297270 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:06 pm to
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If by leftist you mean socialist,


Words have meaning, Neanderthal.


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Protecting American manufacturing so that american consumers will benefit in the long run?


Old rehashed Democrat lies to the unions.

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Teenage girl drama.


Your statism? 100%.



Posted by bignuss18
Member since Sep 2025
370 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:07 pm to
Do you have brain damage?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1605 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:07 pm to
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if China is subsidizing your wealth, you are winning
Did you not read the posts itt by people stating US companies could not get goods because of some China issue? Do you not remember the recent computer processor issue?

Trump is absolutely correct that these issues are extremely dangerous to our future. But people like you are ok with idiotic Gen z kids being addicted to freaking tiktok
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297270 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Did you not read the posts itt by people stating US companies could not get goods because of some China issue? Do you not remember the recent computer processor issue?



Sure. Covid shutdowns and massive debt pushed into the economy. Do you know who the president was?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66854 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:09 pm to
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Protecting American manufacturing so that american consumers will benefit in the long run? I'm in favor of that

Why not just stick with the status quo where we can buy cheap shite at the store right now?

If you want those jobs back here, why? If you say you want good-paying manufacturing jobs, you're starting to sound like a union boss.
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