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re: Supplemental oxygen? What's the big deal here?
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:25 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:25 pm to JudgeHolden
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No. That’s a real thing. It’s called pronating.
I know what/why you would put a patient in a prone position for...just seems like it was being used in reference to the president.
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:28 pm to DMAN1968
I think I've sat up one in the last 10 years
Posted on 10/5/20 at 6:34 am to DMAN1968
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I've used them before...on babies.
Used oxyhoods but it’s been a while since I set one of those up...
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 6:59 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:06 am to JudgeHolden
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No. That’s a real thing. It’s called pronating
We prone patients when they’re pretty much maxed out on o2 and peep...
Trump’s condition does not require it...
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:22 am to the808bass
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If they spent 1/10th the amount of time finding out what Biden’s medical condition is as they have Trump’s in the past 72 hours, I’d give them more slack.
Yeah, this doesn't play for several reasons. First, Trump had that episode where he was rushed to the hospital last year and the media has more or less left him alone about it. So even if you left the fact that he's been admitted and is likely receive intensive care level monitoring for COVID out of it, Trump has benefited from the media's reluctance to dig too deeply into the health of septuagenarians we have running for President more the Biden has.
But of course, there is the fact that he's been admitted and is likely receive intensive care level monitoring for COVID. Obviously, they'd be more interested in his health right now. Add to that he's actually President right now and that the White House keeps telling quickly uncovered lies about his condition. If he ever tried telling the truth, they'd cut him more slack.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:00 am to davyjones
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You're conflating "oxygen sat" and "shortness of breath"? Those are separate things and furthermore there's been zero reference to shortness of breath but to the contrary ample talk specifically of saturation levels.
I know. Mine was a scenario. Maybe he felt short of breath and they of course checked a sat and it was low. Could have even been a false low or marginal. 92-93%.
His docs (I believe) were specifically asked if it was below 90 and they dodged the question. Which leads me to believe it was. If only for a short time. You don’t even question past that. You put him on a nasal cannula and watch him.
The privacy thing and HIPPA vs. him being the POTUS and the public right to know is gray to me. I am not going to pretend I know what is right or what is the law. If he weren’t the POTUS, the law would say “frick you”. They wouldn’t have to tell you a damned thing that the patient or family didn’t want. Again, it gets gray because of his job.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:01 am to Homesick Tiger
They reach for anything, grasp at straws
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:10 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:No, the doctor did NOT dodge the question. He answered, "“We don’t have any recordings here on that.”"
His docs (I believe) were specifically asked if it was below 90 and they dodged the question.
How is that dodging the question?
Are you saying a nurse would have neglected to record an oxygen level properly?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:15 am to LSURussian
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No, the doctor did NOT dodge the question. He answered, "“We don’t have any recordings here on that.”"
Because the question was specific to his time BEFORE Walter Reed. The doctor answered only what they had at Walter reed.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:05 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:Not that I can find. Not even the Washington Post has quotes which support your claim.
Because the question was specific to his time BEFORE Walter Reed.
If you can find a link quoting that specific question please post it.
In any case, so fricking what?!? What happened Friday is irrelevant today. The President's blood saturation level is 98% today. That is all that matters and maybe that's why you're fixating on Friday.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:23 am to LSURussian
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No, the doctor did NOT dodge the question. He answered, "“We don’t have any recordings here on that.”"
How is that dodging the question?
Right. The he was asked the same question again and he dodged the question.
Trump had 2 episodes of "transient drops in his oxygen saturation," his physician says
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Conley refused to say how low the President's blood oxygen levels had dropped. When asked if they had dropped below 90, he replied, "We don't have any recordings here of that."
When asked again on whether they had dropped below 90, Conley said the President's blood oxygen levels didn't get down into "the low 80s."
There's video and everything.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:28 am to LSURussian
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And yet you can't link just one of them. Why?
I actually searched and could not find one story quoting a doctor that said POTUS experienced shortness of breath. But I found numerous stories quoting the President's doctor saying there was NO shortness of breath.
Did you though?
President Trump has fever, shortness of breath; at Walter Reed Hospital
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:38 am to longwayfromLA
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Damn!! 94% is a good normal for some of us. 92 to 96 is common.
I heard the Doctor, then immediately went to the other side of the house to consult with my Medical Advisor. Samford Grad RN top of her class.
"Is 94 oxygen critical?"
"Most of the population walks around with 94 to 92.He got oxygen because he is the President and there are precautions being taken. Ever wonder why the Doctor reaches a point where it's useless to debate people with forth grade educations and walks away?"
The news media ....
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:39 am to longwayfromLA
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could not find one story quoting a doctor that said POTUS experienced shortness of breath.
quote:You couldn't find a quote by a doctor either, just like me.
Did you though?
Where in the link you posted does it say one of President Trump's doctors said the President exhibited a shortness of breath?
Damn, you're stupid. You can't even read.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:46 am to LSURussian
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You couldn't find a quote by a doctor either, just like me.
Where in the link you posted does it say one of President Trump's doctors said the President exhibited a shortness of breath?
Damn, you're stupid. You can't even read.
I said that there have been a number of reports that he experienced shortness of breath. I wasn't there, so I don't know definitively one way or the other. I do know that the White House has been quite a bit less than transparent every step of the way. You're reply that the president's doctors, who have consistently chosen to disinform about the realities of the President's condition, haven't disclosed this just send me back to there have been a number of reports that he experienced shortness of breath. I wasn't there, so I don't know definitively one way or the other. I do know that the White House has been quite a bit less than transparent every step of the way.
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:48 am to longwayfromLA
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There's video and everything.
I am talking about the saturday 11am press conference on the hospital steps. The doc discussed vitals and condition that day and during his Walter reed stay. When specifically asked about Friday he did not answer.
They were very late for that press conference. I’m sure to find those GLEAMING white lab coats and to go over what NOT to say.
Bottom line a spot check of the mans pulse ox on Friday was probably in the upper 80’s. Anybody with a brain and minimal medical knowledge in said brain would throw some oxygen on him. And if you the POTUS doctor you say frick it and get him to the hospital.
The fact that Trump went should tell you all you need to know. I’d venture a guess that if he were being honest, he felt pretty shitty and a little SOB and maybe even nervous.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:49 am to Homesick Tiger
Did they say he took supplemental oxygen or that it was made available
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:51 am to JudgeHolden
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His room could be hyperbaric. That’s not out of the realm.
So is the correct appellation: Doctor Judge or Judge Doctor Holden?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:52 am to longwayfromLA
So they put Trump on 2 liters of o2 which is equal to giving an fio2 of 28% via nasal cannula.
We breath 21% with room air, 28% is a very minimum amount of o2...
We breath 21% with room air, 28% is a very minimum amount of o2...
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:54 am to JudgeHolden
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His room could be hyperbaric. That’s not out of the realm.
No it's not...
Jesus, people who don't know jack shite about medicine make the worst assumptions...
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