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re: Successful Vaccine Religious Exemptions?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:42 pm to Tear It Up
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:42 pm to Tear It Up
I am founding a new church:
Fervent
Unified
Followers of
Enlightened
Dogma
or, FU-FED
Our beliefs will be that we do not trust Government and refuse any mandates from them.
Fervent
Unified
Followers of
Enlightened
Dogma
or, FU-FED
Our beliefs will be that we do not trust Government and refuse any mandates from them.
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:43 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:
If the company argues that it puts other employees at risk and that they cannot reasonably accommodate your religious objections to not taking the vaccine without putting others at risk, they can deny it.
You’re acting like this is a low bar. Depending on the company and the situation, it is not.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:43 pm to Cowboyfan89
Denying your exemption and not having a reasonable accommodation are two separate issues.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:43 pm to Tear It Up
I used the fetal cell lines use in my letter. They ignored my first attempt. Then they told me to handwrite a letter explaining my religious beliefs. I did that...and they ignored it.
I called a lawyer and had them handle it. I had my exemption very quickly.
I called a lawyer and had them handle it. I had my exemption very quickly.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:50 pm to how333
It is not clear if previous infected people actually have much to gain if any from getting vaccinated. It is also clear that a previous infection provides protection to future infection.
Requiring additional protection from something an individual is already protected from is a pretty hard sell.
Requiring additional protection from something an individual is already protected from is a pretty hard sell.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:50 pm to the808bass
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You’re acting like this is a low bar.
The government made it a low bar when they decided to mandate the vaccine for millions of people to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.
The best case is they grant it and tell you to pay for testing yourself, or let you work remotely (if possible).
It's probably going to be easier to do some places than others. If you have a company not exactly in favor of the mandate, they may be more willing to grant the exemptions.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:51 pm to Tear It Up
My son was prepared to get discharged, I told him to write the religious exemption request to at least have a paper trail first, you should at least try, then there is always the possibility of legal action.
Include:
-Aborted fetal stem cells used in research
-The body is the temple and your responsibility is to God rather than government
-While it isn’t the Mark of the beast, it is the same spirit described in revelation and is an obvious precursor
Also say that you are willing to cooperate as far as wearing mask and doing social distancing
Include:
-Aborted fetal stem cells used in research
-The body is the temple and your responsibility is to God rather than government
-While it isn’t the Mark of the beast, it is the same spirit described in revelation and is an obvious precursor
Also say that you are willing to cooperate as far as wearing mask and doing social distancing
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:54 pm to Stitches
All you have to do is argue that it is a sincerely held religious belief and fight the denial. By law, they cannot deny your religious claim, although they are trying to do this. Most people just throw their hands up at that but you can fight and you can then put in an EEOC complaint for religious discrimination.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:56 pm to Landmass
Pro Se lawsuit as well for civil rights violations as well correct?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:56 pm to Pookers
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Denying your exemption and not having a reasonable accommodation are two separate issues.
If they can't accommodate you, they aren't going to grant an exemption, even if your reasoning is valid.
Not sure how they are separate issues--they can't accommodate you without an exemption, and they can't exempt you if they can't accommodate you.
quote:
When an employee asks for an accommodation to avoid an employment duty or to circumvent an employer’s policy, the employer must determine two things: a) whether the employee’s bona fide religious belief or practice conflicts with an employment duty; and b) whether accommodating the religious belief or practice would result in “undue hardship” for the employer.
Just one example explaining this...
A bit more from the same link:
quote:
Employers need not accommodate by providing a religious exemption when such accommodation would cause an “undue hardship” for the employer. The EEOC summarizes the potential forms of undue hardship: “An accommodation may cause undue hardship if it is costly, compromises workplace safety, decreases workplace efficiency, infringes on the rights of other employees, or requires other employees to do more than their share of potentially hazardous or burdensome work.”
It may not be the easiest thing for an employer to deny, but religious exemptions are not blanket approvals.
If you are applying for one, hopefully you haven't been openly vocal about opposition to the vaccine for other reasons.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:58 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:
The best case is they grant it and tell you to pay for testing yourself, or let you work remotely (if possible
I work for a very large company that leans heavily “left.” They already came out with a mandatory vaccination policy for all employees who work at the office headquarters. If you didn’t provide a religious or medical exemption that was approved, they placed you on leave without pay and make you pay 100% of the cost of insurance.
Luckily I work in sales remotely and never have to step foot in the headquarters. Since my company is leftist, I’m fully expecting a mandate for all employees.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:01 pm to Tear It Up
These vaccines arent really against any religion.
Especially now with catholics doing the, well when there arent other options available then you must take the vaccine bs.
But you just say you are one of those non denominations that only believe in prayer for healing.
And you cant do the, its made with animal product since i believe pfizer is not.
Especially now with catholics doing the, well when there arent other options available then you must take the vaccine bs.
But you just say you are one of those non denominations that only believe in prayer for healing.
And you cant do the, its made with animal product since i believe pfizer is not.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:03 pm to dgnx6
quote:
These vaccines arent really against any religion.
This is patently false.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:16 pm to Tear It Up
Mine at a major hospital was approved. Keep it vague as possible i.e. your beliefs of not putting anything foreign into your body etc. I was actually surprised that they approved it but I think they are dealing with some lawsuits.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:17 pm to saints5021
Not true... I filled out the form myself and told them they couldn't contact my church. (Some of us have liberal priests so that wouldn't work anyway)
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:19 pm to Stitches
You got to specific unfortunately. I would keep it as vague as possible.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:23 pm to saints5021
Faith is not structured like that. A pastor is not the equivalent to a doctor and the church os not a hospital.
The church is Gods house and we are all in an equal relationship footing. My faith is not dependent on a man. The pastor is simply someone that brings the Word to the congregation in the form of a relatable message.
I don't need a permission slip to prove I believe something.
The church is Gods house and we are all in an equal relationship footing. My faith is not dependent on a man. The pastor is simply someone that brings the Word to the congregation in the form of a relatable message.
I don't need a permission slip to prove I believe something.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 5:10 pm to Daequalizer
The form we have to fill out is multiple pages and pretty in-depth.
Here are some of the questions:
-Does the religious belief that prevents you from receiving the Covid vaccine derive from a recognized religion?
-Provide the name of your religion and when you first began practicing this religion
-Does your religious belief prevent you from receiving other vaccines or just the Covid vaccines?
-Have you ever received the flu vaccine?
-Have you ever received any vaccines in the past? Name the most recent and when you received it
-Are there other aspects of your religious belief related to medical care?
I have never taken the flu vaccine (I’m 40 and only got the flu one time when I was 12), and I think the only vaccines I have taken were MMRs as a kid- I know I haven’t had any since high school.
It seems like they are trying to separate those whose religious views are against all vaccines and medical care and those who are “just against the Covid shot.”
If I have to fill out the form, I think I might have a lawyer help or at least look over it before submitting
Here are some of the questions:
-Does the religious belief that prevents you from receiving the Covid vaccine derive from a recognized religion?
-Provide the name of your religion and when you first began practicing this religion
-Does your religious belief prevent you from receiving other vaccines or just the Covid vaccines?
-Have you ever received the flu vaccine?
-Have you ever received any vaccines in the past? Name the most recent and when you received it
-Are there other aspects of your religious belief related to medical care?
I have never taken the flu vaccine (I’m 40 and only got the flu one time when I was 12), and I think the only vaccines I have taken were MMRs as a kid- I know I haven’t had any since high school.
It seems like they are trying to separate those whose religious views are against all vaccines and medical care and those who are “just against the Covid shot.”
If I have to fill out the form, I think I might have a lawyer help or at least look over it before submitting
Posted on 9/23/21 at 5:14 pm to Tear It Up
quote:
I have never taken the flu vaccine (I’m 40 and only got the flu one time when I was 12), and I think the only vaccines I have taken were MMRs as a kid- I know I haven’t had any since high school.
You could easily argue that you had no choice in the vaccines given to you as a child--your parents decided that.
Of course, that could bring up another line of questioning that may or may not be legal.
I think any company that is seriously looking at these is going to have the same line of questioning. Those that aren't are either going to grant them all; or deny them and see if it gets challenged, then fold if legally challenged.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 5:51 pm to the808bass
Big. I work for the largest private employer in the state.
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