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re: Study: All Humanity Comes From One Couple.................... You don't say
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:35 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:35 pm to Azkiger
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Plant. 1. a living organism of the kind exemplified by trees, shrubs, herbs, grasses, ferns, and mosses, typically growing in a permanent site, absorbing water and inorganic substances through its roots, and synthesizing nutrients in its leaves by photosynthesis using the green pigment chlorophyll. Hrm...
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:37 pm to Jjdoc
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We know for a fact that we do not need sun light to grow plants. That's a fact.
We also know that the ignition of the sun occurred before the completion of the planet. We also know that the first signs of life don't occur until 500 million years after the earth formed and that cyanobacteria was ~500million years after even that. So your fact is worthless.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:39 pm to Jjdoc
There is at least 2 people in this thread talking about young earth, and even more talking about a recent flood. You are just an idiot thinking the article you posted was an accurate representation of a study you haven't read.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:40 pm to Jjdoc
So we are all gumps deep down inside then
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:41 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Have you ever heard of exponential growth? Take 2 and double it every 50 years for 3000 years and you would be where we are now. If you subtract for wars and famine and disease, we still easily make. As a matter of fact we have exceeded the number of years that the Bible says that we have been here since the flood. Try this for 1 million years like science claims and see how crazy that is. How cam people believe in something so impossible?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:44 pm to Jjdoc
How could time as we know it exist before God created the Earth and moon and Sun? Time was made by us not by God. He is not restrained by time. How long is forever?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:47 pm to blackrose890
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We also know that the ignition of the sun occurred before the completion of the planet. We also know that the first signs of life don't occur until 500 million years after the earth formed and that cyanobacteria was ~500million years after even that. So your fact is worthless.
Let's deal with your first assertion. You stated that there can be no plant life without sunlight. If you are what you say you are, you know that's not true at all.
Now that we have established that it does NOT have to be sunlight, let's add to it that not all plant life needs light. There are plants to do NOT need any type of lights.... BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY... It's important to note that the very first creational act was to CREATE LIGHT!
Not a bad guess for somebody who did not have access to your knowledge base as a writer of Genesis....
Why are you moving the topic. Acknowledge the fact that you know on this, you were misleading or wrong.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:48 pm to rickyh
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How cam people believe in something so impossible?
Because Hunter Gatherers didn't have the resources available to double there numbers every 50 years. The late blooming of population is in direct correlation with the advancement of technology. Where as this growth formula was determined and applied retroactively from a predetermined starting point and end point where there is only 1 or 2 variable. Essentially, it's junk math meant to convince people of something stupid using modern means.
This is literally no different that Muslims retroactively finding scientific miracles in the Quran.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:02 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:48 pm to blackrose890
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You are just an idiot thinking the article you posted was an accurate representation of a study you haven't read.
Says the person who just claimed there can be no plant life without a sun light.
When you are ready... move to the next issue you have with Genesis and stop getting personal with attacks.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:50 pm to rickyh
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Try this for 1 million years like science claims and see how crazy that is. How cam people believe in something so impossible?
We are talking about humans right? Homo Sapien Sapiens haven't been around 1 million years.
Exponential growth assumes an abundance of resources. Prior to the Neolithic Revolution, human hunter-gatherer societies couldn't support large populations. The Neolithic Revolution also saw the populations remain constant for a few millennia (more or less), until the Industrial Revolution.
So if our exponential growth graph starts at the Neolithic Revolution, then it can look like an exponential growth graph. But that wouldn't be true of all of human history, as for the vast majority of the development of homo sapien sapien (as in greater than 250,000 years) human populations were very small.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:57 pm to Jjdoc
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Now that we have established that it does NOT have to be sunlight, let's add to it that not all plant life needs light. There are plants to do NOT need any type of lights.... BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY... It's important to note that the very first creational act was to CREATE LIGHT!
We didn't establish anything of the sort, you're holding up an old book and saying it must be right because it must be right. We have actual evidence that creation did not happen in the order presented in Genesis. Unless you are saying that the plants and seeds were placed fully formed on a planet that had not completed.
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Why are you moving the topic. Acknowledge the fact that you know on this, you were misleading or wrong.
I'm not doing any of these things. You are the one who brought up Genesis in the first place. I'm simply informing you of your lack of knowledge.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:59 pm to Jjdoc
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Says the person who just claimed there can be no plant life without a sun light.
I said that plants didn't exist before the sun. THE SUN IGNITED BEFORE THE FORMATION OF THE EARTH.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:02 am to blackrose890
Really, hunters and gatherers are doubling their population as we speak. The fasting growing populations are in the poorest countries. Famine, drought, lack of medicine and modern technology and whatever you think it takes for humans to prosper. Your thinking is horribly skewed. Humans are a hardy species. From the Arctic to the desert, to islands that populated so fast that they ate their own. The Bible says that the first people lived for hundreds of years. The flood has been proved over and over again. And it wasn't 200,000 years ago. For those who don't like religious threads, make this about pure common sense. Please someone post a couple of human population charts. You choose. They will verify the simple Truth. You like science, use it to prove your argument.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:06 am to rickyh
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Really, hunters and gatherers are doubling their population as we speak. The fasting growing populations are in the poorest countries. Famine, drought, lack of medicine and modern technology and whatever you think it takes for humans to prosper.
Poor countries aren't hunter-gatherer societies. Hunter-gatherer societies that have been untouched or relatively untouched to modern times have extremely small populations. Poor countries with high total fertility rates are relatively highly developed, especially in comparison to pretty much every period in human history. They are comparatively poorly developed in comparison to first-world countries, though.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:07 am to blackrose890
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We didn't establish anything of the sort, you're holding up an old book and saying it must be right because it must be right. We have actual evidence that creation did not happen in the order presented in Genesis. Unless you are saying that the plants and seeds were placed fully formed on a planet that had not completed.
The question was a simple one. Your claim is plant life could not have happened due to the sun had not been created.
I countered with scientific facts:
1- light is not needed for some plants to live.
2- Sunlight is not needed. Many plants are grown without sunlight.
So no, I'm not holding up and old book and claiming it's right. I'm holding up scientific facts of light and plants growing. Since you chose to attack the book of Genesis using science, I'm simply pointing out your assertion QUOTED HERE:
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Genesis has fully formed plants before the birth of the sun. So, no the order is incorrect.
Is false based on the facts... those facts being (once again)
1- Light is not needed at all for some plants to grow at all.
2- SUNLIGHT is not needed for ANY plant to grow... just light.
3- The first creational act was "Let there be light"
Those are the facts. You can try to refute them if you want. But deal with THOSE. Either they are right or not. Ball in your court.
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I'm not doing any of these things. You are the one who brought up Genesis in the first place. I'm simply informing you of your lack of knowledge.
Are you asserting that those 3 things are wrong?
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:10 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:08 am to blackrose890
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I said that plants didn't exist before the sun. THE SUN IGNITED BEFORE THE FORMATION OF THE EARTH.
No... Your words... quoted once again:
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Genesis has fully formed plants before the birth of the sun. So, no the order is incorrect.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:09 am to rickyh
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Really, hunters and gatherers are doubling their population as we speak. T
Really? Hunter/Gathers? Are you sure? Then why is the population of the Sentinel Islands not doubling? They are hunter gathers, but they only have finite resources. The Kalhari Bushmen are small in numbers. The Pirahã tribe are tiny and not doubling either.
The third world as you are describing isn't living in the same bubble or situation that early human were.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:15 am to Jjdoc
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1- light is not needed for some plants to live.
2- Sunlight is not needed. Many plants are grown without sunlight.
But plants need a planet to be on and that planet didn't finish forming for millions of years after the sun ignited. I don't know what is so difficult for you to understand.
According to Science, the first plants don't appear until after the formation of earth which was after the ignition of the sun.
According to Genesis the plants and placed on Earth made before the Sun was made.
Whether or not plants can grow without light is completely irrelevant to the fact that Earth was not able to support plant life (being unformed and all) as the sun formed before the earth did.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:24 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:29 am to Jjdoc
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Maybe look at other studies that back it up:
My God you are a moron of epic proportions.
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every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago.
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Almost every man alive can trace his origins to one man who lived about 135,000 years ago
How the frick does that back up the idea of a single couple repopulating the planet if mitochondrial Eve and y-chromosomal Adam lived tens of thousands of years apart in time?
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I'm just saying... I love science.
Imagine how much more you'd love it if you actually understood it.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:33 am to Korkstand
This study states 100k to 200k years. Se where that estimate of 135k years can fit into that?
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