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Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:36 pm to bbvdd
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I started the thread to discuss systemic issues.
There is no such thing. Period
Shes avoided the question regarding systemic issues 7 times in this thread alone.
So, she comes here and says she wants discussion but will not discuss. Shes a world clss phony.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:36 pm to 4cubbies
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No one has mentioned the father of her children.
We expect almost ZERO responsibility from these sperm donors in ANY other facet of their existence. Why do we delude ourselves thinking they will step up?
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Sandy seems to bear full and complete responsibility for the intercourse that produced her children.
Sandy, by now knows what the deal is, right? SHE will carry the child. WE will deliver, feed, house etc for the child. HE will do what is expected of him... Nothing.
quote:. Only if you're new to this scenario... How many times can you see the same things and not see the results?
That's a bit curious.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:36 pm to bbvdd
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but you would like a bigger, farther reaching government???
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I have never advocated for the expansion of government.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:36 pm to bbvdd
I guess that settles it then.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:44 pm to 4cubbies
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I guess that settles it then.
You have yet to name any that I have seen.
ETA: Throwing out a buzzword and expecting us to just believe it doesn't really work.
Name some.
This post was edited on 10/28/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:44 pm to bbvdd
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started the thread to discuss systemic issues.
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There is no such thing. Period
You are 100% incorrect on this. There absolutely ARE systemic injustices.
It is an injustice that hard-working people have taxes TAKEN from their checks that is then GIVEN to people that have no shame, guilt, desire to improve, responsibility, etc.
THAT IS the SYSTEM and that is an INJUSTICE.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:49 pm to 4cubbies
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I started the thread to discuss systemic issues. I do not have a solution for injustice yet.
Oh but you have ideas. Might as well lay them out.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:01 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Persecuted is a strong term. Nonetheless, my response is that technically "persecuted" is accurate in some cases. However, you tend to be over the top occasionally with your signifiers. So when you say "persecuted," what is it that you actually mean?
So white men are not persecuted?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:07 pm to 4cubbies
Too many minorities have become successful people to keep harping on these disadvantages. There is no way to remove all perceived hinderences.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:25 pm to 4cubbies
quote:in so far as the "first generation" was often two or three or more generations back, I guess those distant generations would be the real focus of your question. It seems in terms of this discussion and general demographic behavior, that "first generation" would be those affected by LBJ's policies which rewarded out of wedlock births and government dependence. Our "war on poverty" encouraged a shifting cultural paradigm, which is still at play today. As with many Democrat policies, the name "war on poverty" is an antithetical misnomer. Instead of eliminating poverty, those policies locked it in.
What factors were at play for the first generation?
Regardless, there is no question that we, as a society should do better, and should be able to do better. There is no excuse for intergenerational issues such as poverty, children without fathers in the household, or other negative cultural behavior. LBJ specifically implemented policies to garner the Black vote, and so Blacks have been disproportionately affected in my opinion.
It isn't a matter of racism, as much as it is in impoverished Americans, who happened to be disproportionately Black, becoming addicted to handouts. If a person growing up in such a household is given the choice between "free government money" and working at McDonald's in a situation where after a few years they might be promoted to manager, and potentially further promotions beyond that, the allure of "free government money" will almost always win out. That allure locks those individuals into a life with little hope of breaking the intergenerational chain of poverty, lack of self-worth, and hopelessness.
For individuals caught up in that life, there is no "can-do" attitude. There is no concept of American exceptionalism, and that is a travesty.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:30 pm to 4cubbies
quote:bingo!
What do you think has been the driving force behind the disintegration of the traditional black family?
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The government.
… And the definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing, and expecting different results.
So it would seem the cure would be getting government out of our lives, instead of promoting more government and expecting a different result.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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you tend to be over the top occasionally with your signifiers.
hyperbolic, at times.
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So when you say "persecuted," what is it that you actually mean?
My understanding of the claims made here is that white men are targeted for hostility by society because they are white men.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:39 pm to Bard
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And that's really what's central to my "this is bullshite" stance. The rhetoric from these "justice" types rely heavily on the false impression that there is some sort of concrete definition. They do this to set up the narrative that if you are against them, then you are against "justice" and thus you are bad/evil/whatever.
But, what's the alternative? Do we just not ponder these types of things since there is so much disagreement?
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My point on Sandy was that the whole idea of systemic/structural juistice/injustice is such a worthless endeavor that the speaker's own example she uses to attempt to explain how this amorphous "injustice" can happen even without someone purposely driving it with evil motives, it can actually be used to show the entire subject is bullshite.
I don't think so. The framework basically says that there are so many individuals pursuing their own interests and survival that some of their actions have unintended consequences that unintentionally harm others, who are already marginalized for separate reasons. That seems like a reasonable idea.
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which then brings us back to this really being a re-packaging of Marx's class warfare.
Ehhh not necessarily. I think concessions can be made without going the full-out class warfare route. Or even if we don't have a concrete plan for realizing this, we can say "yeah, people should have access to decent affordable housing."
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:40 pm to LCA131
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We expect almost ZERO responsibility from these sperm donors in ANY other facet of their existence. Why do we delude ourselves thinking they will step up?
Why don't "we" absolve women of their sins like we do these men?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:42 pm to 4cubbies
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yeah, people should have access to decent affordable housing
Wait for mommy government or all you people can get together and take action.
What’s it going to be?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:49 pm to 4cubbies
Why would homeless folks be having children? Life choices are a real thing. You always seem to be simping for the po us folks, but a lot of their issues are brought on themselves by their culture. You also have NO clue about how many of the illegals had it bad where they lived before. Many come here because they see the money and benefits being freely distributed by the democrat establishment.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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I guess those distant generations would be the real focus of your question.
Doesn't seem like determining or agreeing on the appropriate factors to blame would be very productive, though.
quote:I completely agree, but don't omit the War of Terror and the War on Drugs.
As with many Democrat policies, the name "war on poverty" is an antithetical misnomer. Instead of eliminating poverty, those policies locked it in.
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Regardless, there is no question that we, as a society should do better, and should be able to do better.
Plenty of people think society is already doing too much! Look at the posts in this thread.
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If a person growing up in such a household is given the choice between "free government money" and working at McDonald's in a situation where after a few years they might be promoted to manager, and potentially further promotions beyond that, the allure of "free government money" will almost always win out.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Every woman has the choice to not get married, have babies and live off the government. Every single woman who is able to have kids can easily make that choice yet most women do not.
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For individuals caught up in that life, there is no "can-do" attitude.
'When people don't see anyone who looks like them or comes from their type of situation do the things many posters here think is possible/easy/likely for them to do - those things seem as out of touch as walking on the moon.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Is the 9-1 discrepancy for males/females incarcerated an injustice or not?
quote:Interesting points.
is it an injustice that young unmarried males pay higher car insurance than young unmarried females?
The answer is actuarial, i.e., is there a legitimate reason for those differentials? In both of those instances, there is. The differentials are based on behavioral differences.
If we don't like the differentials, the solution is behavioral change. The same is true, at least to some extent, with incarceration rates, poverty, etc..
4cubbies holds that counterproductive behavior should not be disqualifying of equal opportunity. I would argue there should be an acknowledgment that equal opportunity should be afforded to equal behavior.
For example, there is a career cost for a woman who elects to have out of wedlock children, and for whom there is a little chance of a supportive father. Our social failure is in the absence of emphasis of the impact of those poor decisions before they occur. Instead, in many instances, the liberal construct is to do just the opposite, and then expect society to be disproportionately supportive.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:52 pm to 4cubbies
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Decent affordable housing
Who gets to define this?
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