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re: Stop posting the pneumonia drop graph
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is this close to what you're looking for? There is a more updated version floating around where Covid has climbed to the #1 spot (this one is weeks old), but I can't find it.
You can see pneumonia and flu together kill ~1227 usually in an April week. If you subtract ALL of that, I'm saying if EVERY SINGLE FLU AND PNEUMONIA DEATH had nothing to do with Covid at all from the 12,392 Covid deaths, you still get 11,165 deaths which drops it to third place just below cancer. And remember, this is weeks out of date, it has gone up.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 1:09 pm
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:19 pm to Microtiger
I get what you’re saying, however, I am inclined to disagree that Democrats are not using skewed data to their advantage. To me, it is nefarious. Just another effort to destroy the administration.
People are constantly comparing this to a typical flu. To some, it is more dangerous. To most, it’s not more dangerous. Many are completely asymptomatic. Last time I saw, for every positive, 30 people had lost their livelihood and everybody has taken a beating in their 401K.
If you look at antibody studies from multiple places, it shows an infection rate of 15%. Essentially, 40-50 million people have been infected here. If you consider that and the number of bogus counts (which we will never know the true number), it does bring the mortality rate closest to that of a seasonal flu.
They are using this to suit their agenda. They want to crash the economy and make Trump seem incompetent. Look at their actions since before the inauguration. The DNC, along with the previous administration financed a bogus Russian collusion. Then, they impeached Trump over something Biden did. Now, they want mail in votes to steal an election. There is your end game.
It’s unconscionable what they have done to this country. This is just one more thing. What have the Democrats done since he was elected that makes you think they are working to better the US?
People are constantly comparing this to a typical flu. To some, it is more dangerous. To most, it’s not more dangerous. Many are completely asymptomatic. Last time I saw, for every positive, 30 people had lost their livelihood and everybody has taken a beating in their 401K.
If you look at antibody studies from multiple places, it shows an infection rate of 15%. Essentially, 40-50 million people have been infected here. If you consider that and the number of bogus counts (which we will never know the true number), it does bring the mortality rate closest to that of a seasonal flu.
They are using this to suit their agenda. They want to crash the economy and make Trump seem incompetent. Look at their actions since before the inauguration. The DNC, along with the previous administration financed a bogus Russian collusion. Then, they impeached Trump over something Biden did. Now, they want mail in votes to steal an election. There is your end game.
It’s unconscionable what they have done to this country. This is just one more thing. What have the Democrats done since he was elected that makes you think they are working to better the US?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:21 pm to Korkstand
It was an ecoli infection. She has had it previously. The treatment nearly killed her last time. She was adamant that she not go through that again.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:26 pm to Bud Davis
quote:I'm sorry for your loss.
It was an ecoli infection. She has had it previously. The treatment nearly killed her last time. She was adamant that she not go through that again.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:27 pm to Korkstand
Thanks so much. She was more than ready and had expressed as much. She had a strong faith.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:31 pm to Microtiger
I’m not saying...I’m just saying... stop saying! 
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:41 pm to TigerDeBaiter
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I’m not saying...I’m just saying... stop saying!
What was your goal with that reply, friend?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:06 pm to Microtiger
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I'm not saying Covid-19 numbers aren't being inflated (even though I think they're not)
Haha....just noticed your nice edit in the OP on over counting deaths....which initially you said you did not believe was going on and have now edited to say “intentionally”
Give us a break dude, states have been told in black and white that deaths can be counted as covid19 without actual confirmed tests....while states and hospitals receive more federal bailout money for each and every covid19 death they have.....common sense tells you that the numbers are inflated. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
Do you want to go on the record right now and state that by years end pneumonia deaths will fall in line with the same trend over the previous 10 years?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:09 pm to honeybadger07
Give me a break, dude. Read my explanation from earlier in the thread.
Pneumonia deaths will be elevated compared to usual years, but a portion of that will absolutely be due to regular pneumonia. On the whole, there will be more total pneumonia deaths than normal. What do you want from me here exactly?
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Okay, first of all, I regret putting "even though I think they're not" in the OP. I used the verb inflated, meaning artificially inflated on purpose, as many here think the Democrats are doing. I did not mean overcounted. I was trying to say I don't believe there is a coordinated top-down effort to make up and fabricate Covid deaths for ulterior reasons. I don't doubt that non-Covid deaths are being counted as Covid deaths, and I don't doubt that Covid deaths are being missed and undercounted, and I wouldn't even doubt that there are way more of the first than the second. This is messy stuff that is hard to track. It's attributing nefarious motives and coordination to it that I think is ridiculous.
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Do you want to go on the record right now and state that by years end pneumonia deaths will fall in line with the same trend over the previous 10 years?
Pneumonia deaths will be elevated compared to usual years, but a portion of that will absolutely be due to regular pneumonia. On the whole, there will be more total pneumonia deaths than normal. What do you want from me here exactly?
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:19 pm to honeybadger07
quote:There can be no "falling in line" for this huge spike in pneumonia deaths. These figures can only go up. These are not estimations. These are actual death certificates that mention pneumonia.
Do you want to go on the record right now and state that by years end pneumonia deaths will fall in line with the same trend over the previous 10 years?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:22 pm to Microtiger
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What do you want from me here exactly?
Well after reading that and wasting my time Im not even sure at this point, you are a lost cause.
I’ll be sure to bookmark this one though and check back at years end to point and laugh at how naive you are
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:30 pm to honeybadger07
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Well after reading that and wasting my time Im not even sure at this point, you are a lost cause. I’ll be sure to bookmark this one though and check back at years end to point and laugh at how naive you are
It is just STRAIGHT DATA, dude.
You are the one who is being willfully ignorant here and a lost cause. You are choosing not to understand the point of this thread.
It is simply saying pneumonia deaths have not DROPPED. This is in response to people who use this graph to say that pneumonia deaths are being taken off the charts and called Covid deaths, causing it to look like less pneumonia deaths are happening.
That's ALL. But if you think that Covid deaths are being fabricated at a large scale on purpose, you are the one who is naive and easily manipulated by media with an agenda. But again, that is not the point of this thread.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:33 pm to Korkstand
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No worse than the flu.
So we have peaked, hospitals not overrun, open up
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:50 pm to Microtiger
RAd for posting your anal beads.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:53 pm to oogabooga68
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Do you think all the "experts" involved in this "Pandemic" have been completely truthful at all times
I believe this thread is him stating that he IS one of those experts, if not the preeminent one.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:11 pm to Microtiger
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It is just STRAIGHT DATA, dude
You mean straight incomplete data, that you yourself have already pointed out the data gathering is delayed? But your telling me that I am supposed to just believe that the numbers will come back in line and everything is kosher? Haha okay gotcha.
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naive and easily manipulated by media with an agenda.
Lol, and what media source is it that is manipulating me to think they are fabricating death counts? You don’t know what I watch/read/listen to so you are making assumptions....just like your making assumptions the data you posted will fall in line.
Here is a straight fact for your fact checking book.....Medicaid pays $13k for every covid patient and $39k for every covid patient put on a ventilator.....hmmm makes me wonder what a hospital would do when they are bleeding money because they have shut down all nonessential operations which is their main revenue stream. Now that is an assumption, but is that far fetched to believe is actually happening? Who knows, ask Bud Davis who has already shared his story of his grandmother on here and may god rest her soul.
Anything else I miss?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:15 pm to Microtiger
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But voting for a President is also voting for an agenda and voting for an administration and my hope is that a Biden administration would be more in line with my ideals than the Trump administration would continue to be
Ahhhhh there it is....you are invested in this virus being as bad as it can be so that your ideals will be pleased.
All makes sense now, or your lack of sense makes sense I should say.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:17 pm to Microtiger
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It is just STRAIGHT DATA, dude.
There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics. frick off with your manipulated numbers.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:36 pm to Microtiger
Damn, the numbers are right there in front of you, and still . . . .
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:50 pm to jimmy the leg
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There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics. frick off with your manipulated numbers.
It's not manipulated numbers, it is literally the fact that the apparent decrease in numbers on the graph is not because pneumonia cases are going down, it's because they have not been fully reported yet. That is literally all this thread is about.
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