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re: Stop posting the pneumonia drop graph
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:44 am to Microtiger
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:44 am to Microtiger
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What? How does that make any sense at all? The drop is not real, that's the whole point of this. It's lagging behind the real numbers.
If the drop is lagging, what do you think the current indication of the drop means?
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:44 am to Microtiger
Wait, you aren’t a leftist?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:45 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:What?
This would seem to make your precipitous drop graph even MORE encouraging.
Quite the opposite, unfortunately it means that the "precipitous drop" only represents the lag in data collection, not a true drop. Also the peak around 9500 will continue to move higher over the coming weeks.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:45 am to roadGator
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Ok. Quickly spot checked the numbers. CDC info on graph seems accurate. What’s the issue?
Are you talking about the drop-off graph? Of course it matches the CDC numbers. The graph is not fake! but the CDC's numbers are not accurate yet. They will be updated over time.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:46 am to Korkstand
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Quite the opposite, unfortunately it means that the "precipitous drop" only represents the lag in data collection, not a true drop. Also the peak around 9500 will continue to move higher over the coming weeks.
So, what did the precipitous increase on the graph you posted represent?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:46 am to roadGator
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Wait, you aren’t a leftist?
I am a liberal, yeah. I shouldn't have to be to accept data like this.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:47 am to Y.A. Tittle
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If the drop is lagging, what do you think the current indication of the drop means?
...that actual deaths have not been fully added to the numbers yet, so the curve should be more straight and it should not be diving south like it is?
So, the pneumonia deaths in reality are worse than they appear in the graph.
How is that a better situation?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:49 am to roadGator
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Sure. I just don’t see the harm in a handful of people not understanding a graph.
It's not a few people. It's millions of people. And it's not just a graph. It's dozens of little things like this. Together they add up and they stole the fires of the "Covid isn't dangerous at all" idea. A very, very wrong idea.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:50 am to roadGator
quote:Which graph?
Ok. Quickly spot checked the numbers. CDC info on graph seems accurate. What’s the issue?
The issue is people are making graphs using incomplete data in order to push the narrative that some causes of death are dropping. The animation in the OP is intended to inform people that this "drop" is always present in the most recent data, and that the data inevitably increases as more death certs are received and processed.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:51 am to Microtiger
Are you saying the recent low point there is not really the low point for that particular reporting period? So, why is it even being reported? Were the other points for this year REPORTED as one number and then re-reported as something else a few days later?
Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:52 am to Microtiger
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Nobody understands grey area here.
For someone arguing for a grey area, this is pretty definitive, wouldn't you agree?
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1) the country should open up yesterday and the virus is less bad than the flu,
Well, the country should never have been closed. While this isn't "the flu", it is similar in many ways. It does have novel complications, particularly when the right set of circumstances combine in an individual.
Instead of "closing down" everything, we should have isolated the most vulnerable and encouraged hygiene and distancing. Now, we couldn't know that the hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed because the models were hopelessly fatalistic and wrong.
Now that we know, we shouldn't double down by keeping everything clamped down hard or easing restrictions, but, again, open up fairly broadly with the hygiene and distance reminders, while continuing to focus on the vulnerable.
This is destroying the village to save it, Vietnam style, IMHO.
(How's that for "grey" area?)
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:54 am to Microtiger
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The graph is not fake! but the CDC's numbers are not accurate yet. They will be updated over time.
Exactly. Thanks for catching up with me.
But shame on the CDC for not putting out accurate numbers.
look at the consternation it causes. This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:55 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:That precipitous increase reflects the data received so far. It represents the number of death certs received so far for that week that mention pneumonia. Each data point on these graphs represents a weekly count of actual death certs. And as with all counts, they begin at zero and move up. Only up. And it takes a long time for the data for a given week to be collected. The CDC is still receiving death certs for people who died back in March, and as they receive that data the count for that week in March is increased. This is the lag. This is why the recent end of these graphs almost always appears to be decreasing.
So, what did the precipitous increase on the graph you posted represent?
This is the nature of counting things. It takes time, and start at zero and progress to higher numbers.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:55 am to Microtiger
Another idiot globalist who has failed to do their own research.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:55 am to Korkstand
question: is this combining COVID and pneumonia deaths or posting data for non-COVID pneumonia deaths?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:55 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Are you saying the recent low point there is not really the low point for that particular reporting period? So, why is it even being reported? Were the other points for this year REPORTED as one number and then re-reported as something else a few days later? Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Yes, that's correct. Because the CDC makes their data public, even when it's not finished tallying yet. That's just how it is.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:56 am to Korkstand
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The animation in the OP is intended to inform people that this "drop" is always present in the most recent data, and that the data inevitably increases as more death certs are received and processed.
Indeed. That’s clear.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:57 am to BarnHater
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Another idiot globalist who has failed to do their own research.
You are just being willfully ignorant here, dude. This is the sad behavior I'm talking about. Did you even read or understand what I'm saying here, or see "virus bad" and immediately think "globalist hoax bill gates vaccine microchip 5G!"
What TF research have you done? Lmfao
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:58 am to Azkiger
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They can’t accept that maybe it is deadlier than the flu, but we still should open up the economy
This. For some reason they see that as incompatible.
Are the necessarily wrong? "Opening the economy" is a continuum of course. But surely, large portions of the economy just cannot recover in a meaningful way until the public health component is resolved.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:59 am to Microtiger
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What research have you done?
I’m not sharing my findings with you. Do your own research. The YouTube videos are out there.
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