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re: st.george: we have enough signatures for election.

Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:24 pm to
It's rare where "more government" equals "better government" especially where there are overlapping responsibilities between governments. And that will be compounded with the city-parish unified form of government EBR has.

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That's a good thing for the people of St. George.
Opinion, not fact. It remains to be seen if it would be a good thing for them or not.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133674 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:25 pm to
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Galactic Inquisitor
I don't know who you are and I don't remember you ever participating in SG threads.

So, what's your agenda and why should I answer your questions?
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:25 pm to
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It creates a more local government for the people of St. George. That's a good thing for the people of St. George.


More government thieves are a good thing so long as they are more "local".

Got it.

Hell, why not split SG up into 10 small towns?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62151 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:26 pm to
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Either way no one wins by separating the two.


St. George wins in the long run either way. St. George will thrive.

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It seems that St. George is only concerned with strengthening themselves


As it should be, given no support to address the pubic education problems.

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But do the supporters of St. George realize that when they weaken the city of Baton Rouge, and it's schools, that the problems Baton Rouge will face will bleed over to St. George?


it's hilarious to me that this is the best argument against St. George...that Baton Rouge can't survive without St. George.

Implicit in this argument is the acceptance that Baton Rouge has no chance at fixing the problems that are causing this movement in the first place.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:27 pm to
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t's rare where "more government" equals "better government" especially where there are overlapping responsibilities between governments. And that will be compounded with the city-parish unified form of government EBR has.


Well, when more government means less BR crooked government, it means better. It's not like we'd be breaking away from a well-run government here.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:28 pm to
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I don't know who you are and I don't remember you ever participating in SG threads.



And this matters why?

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So, what's your agenda


I live in the St. George area and I'm tired of my tax dollars being pilfered by the crooks in BR City Hall.

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and why should I answer your questions?



To prove that you are capable.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62151 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:31 pm to
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More government thieves are a good thing so long as they are more "local".



The status quo is not working for St. George. Your "smaller government" argument doesn't hold water when the "smaller government" is ineffective for St. George residents (as defined by them).

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Hell, why not split SG up into 10 small towns?



Because, presumably, they've decided to incorporate as a whole.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:31 pm to
When this is all voted on, does the entire registered voter population of Baton Rouge get a vote?
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:32 pm to
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I'm tired of my tax dollars being pilfered by the crooks in BR City Hall.


Can you give a specific example of how your tax dollars were misappropriated?

SBR has gotten the bulk of infrastructure improvements and also pays less taxes than any of the surrounding areas. So.. please elaborate.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:33 pm to
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When this is all voted on, does the entire registered voter population of Baton Rouge get a vote?


No.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:33 pm to
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More government thieves are a good thing so long as they are more "local".


It gives you greater control over the people elected. It will keep a much greater portion of our money for improvements in our area. Remember when construction started on widening Jones Creek Road started right before the last election only? How's that project moving along?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62151 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:33 pm to
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When this is all voted on, does the entire registered voter population of Baton Rouge get a vote?



St. George residents will vote on St. George incorporation.

I believe that is why Russian is so concerned. He knows it is very likely to pass. He thinks his best chance of opposing it is to spew as much nonsense as possible to muddy the waters.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101592 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:33 pm to
LSURussian, as a well-versed opponent of the proposal, do you really feel that the supporters have no serious "white flight" agenda and this is strictly about lowering taxes and school quality (no matter how ill-informed on those subjects they may be)? Would you agree that at least SOME of the supporters (but obviously none of them being in this thread ) are motivated by race?

I believe that even Delgado opposes it in part because of the race factor - it is unsightly.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62151 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:34 pm to
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Can you give a specific example of how your tax dollars were misappropriated?

SBR has gotten the bulk of infrastructure improvements and also pays less taxes than any of the surrounding areas. So.. please elaborate.



Then St. George incorporation should benefit Baton Rouge...and everyone should be happy. Right?
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:35 pm to
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pays less taxes than any of the surrounding areas


Prove this.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:37 pm to
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Would you agree that at least SOME of the supporters (but obviously none of them being in this thread ) are motivated by race?



are you white, or black?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62151 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:39 pm to
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Would you agree that at least SOME of the supporters (but obviously none of them being in this thread ) are motivated by race?



I believe that there are more opponents of the St. George movement that are motivated by race than supporters of the St. George movement.

Heck, one of the most vocal on this board used to refer to the black population in Baton Rouge as the plague...and his point was that the plague was going to get St. George eventually as well...if it left Baton Rouge and allowed Baton Rouge to be overcome.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:39 pm to
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Prove this.


Your taxes are no higher than BR, Zachary, Central, Livingston, and Ascension. Fact.

Now please back up your claim that BR is run by crooks and that your tax dollars are being squandered.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62151 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:41 pm to
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Now please back up your claim that BR is run by crooks and that your tax dollars are being squandered.



St. George residents don't need to do this...they only need to decide that incorporation is in their best interests.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130476 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:41 pm to
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It gives you greater control over the people elected.

What people?
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