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re: Stephen Miller- administration considering suspending habeas corpus

Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:47 am to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:47 am to
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I'm 2/2 so far in this discussion.


You're 0/1000s.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:48 am to
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You're 0/1000s.


I posted the two cases in this thread.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24080 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:54 am to
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I posted the two cases in this thread.


You're using the illegitimate courts to argue against a response to illegitimate courts.

Do you not realize how ridiculous that is?

Wait, of course you don't.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33344 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:55 am to
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So why then did you define the word invasion in your initial post and associate it with his order?

Seriously? You cant grasp the concept? At All?

Grant used the word rebellion, because it was in the law that allowed him to suspend habeus. Yet there was no definable rebellion against the US. It was simply a lack of law enforcement. You not being capable of admitting that, proves you know youve lost the argument

Trump will use the term invasion, because the use of the law would require it. But it is an attempt to end around judges, just as Grant did

And you comically want posters to accept Grants idea of a rebellion, but reject Trumps more defensible use of the term invasion
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When you're discussing laws, words are very important.

Except when you ignore the ones that dont make your case. Like an actual rebellion didnt exist, yet he used the word anyway as justification
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:57 am to
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You're using the illegitimate courts



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Do you not realize how ridiculous that is?

Living in reality isn't ridiculous my friend. The alternative that you're projecting, however...
Posted by Red_and_black
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2014
634 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:58 am to
Yeah its a mess. Things are probably too far gone and have been to 10 years. These two versions of America are totally incompatible and elections are only applicable to the winning side.

Personally, I loath the left with every fiber of my being, largely do it its long running manipulation of the judiciary- this goes way back. But I am not a fan of populism either. I am a Reagan & Milton. Friedman Repub.

In reality we all all fooling ourselves if we think our once great system can function in this shite show of a culture. The last 6 years prove this.
In this environment of bi-polar radicalization things like this are to be expected. Sadly.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 8:01 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:00 am to
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Seriously? You cant grasp the concept? At All?

No I don't speak retard.

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Grant used the word rebellion, because it was in the law that allowed him to suspend habeus. Y

And he could have used invasion if it was applicable. Why didn't he?

And, since it's clear he used rebellion, why did you define the word invasion in your initial post and associate it with his order?

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Trump will use the term invasion, because the use of the law would require it. But it is an attempt to end around judges, just as Grant did

I don't think it will be an "end around judges", though. They will see the illegality pretty clearly, like with the same "invasion" analysis with the AEA.

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And you comically want posters to accept Grants idea of a rebellion, but reject Trumps more defensible use of the term invasion

Grant's use of rebellion worked with the facts and reality.

Trump's use of invasion doesn't work with the facts and reality.

However, what doesn't make any sense is arguing Grant relied on "invasion" and not "rebellion", which you did.

Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79843 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:01 am to
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You're using the illegitimate courts to argue against a response to illegitimate courts.



"One of the things I learned from Democrats is that nothing is true unless it has been proven in a kangaroo court.

For example, there was no significant election fraud in 2020 because no court found any. Facts!

Also, OJ is innocent (criminally) and the earth is flat because no court has found otherwise.

Same energy."

-Scott Adams


In keeping with this theme:

There is no invasion because no court has found otherwise.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 8:38 am
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3751 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:04 am to
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Man I hear Miller talking about constitutional issues on a seemingly weekly basis now. Usually sounds like he just interprets the law in a manner that is inconsistent with how judges do. Did this guy even get a law degree?


The corrupt Marxist judges are half or more of the problem.


Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33344 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:08 am to
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However, what doesn't make any sense is arguing Grant relied on "invasion" and not "rebellion", which you did.

Its so comical, your inability to reason

SFP - Grant used the term rebellion to properly invoke habeus

Robb - Trump will use the term invasion to properly invoke habeus

SFP- durrr, uhhh, but Grant didnt say invasion!! Why are you saying he did?

Robb - Because his rebellion is actually less definable that Trumps use of invasion. Yet he got away with it

SFP - But Trumps invasion will be struck down

Robb - Thanks for making my point
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:11 am to
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SFP - Grant used the term rebellion to properly invoke habeus

Robb - Trump will use the term invasion to properly invoke habeus

SFP- durrr, uhhh, but Grant didnt say invasion!! Why are you saying he did?


That's not an accurate description, aka, a strawman.

a. You're ignoring that I addressed the "Trump will use the term invasion" point directly. Dishonesty.

b. You don't seem to have the ability to understand 2 separate points, where I addressed YOUR use of "invasion" improperly separate from the above.

Posted by Red_and_black
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2014
634 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:12 am to
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The corrupt Marxist judges are half or more of the problem.


Sure are and have been for years. This has to be fixed or we might as well do away with elections given elections will not mean a thing.

Its absurd as to whats going on.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 6:07 pm
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
2982 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:15 am to
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I can't even
Good idea. The best you've had in quite awhile.
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If you're going to respond that Trump is going to go authoritarian with this,
This is what that retarded little brain in that ideologue head of yours cannot understand, and why you read what I said without reading to comprehend but instead read to reply:

WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT PRESIDENT?
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33374 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:16 am to
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Show me the proof of the coordianted efforts of the governments of Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, and Mexico to show this invasion, please. Circumstances is proof enough. Beliefs will work just as well as precise facts.

I guess he believes that info is readily found on the interwebs. Would appreciate a more measured take from him vs the schtick.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 8:19 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:17 am to
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This is what that retarded little brain in that ideologue head of yours cannot understand, and why you read what I said without reading to comprehend but instead read to reply:

WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT PRESIDENT?


Also, for the record, he showed a clear ignorance about status. People can be segregated by status into more than "citizen" and "illegal". That's too much for his head, apparently.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24080 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:20 am to
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You're using the illegitimate courts


I get that you're the product of the retard and scoundrel factories we call law schools, but you can't expect the world to conform to your shortcomings.

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Living in reality isn't ridiculous my friend.


So do you want to give it a go for once?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:24 am to
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I get that you're the product of the retard and scoundrel factories we call law schools, but you can't expect the world to conform to your shortcomings.

Irony considering you think speaking mistruths over and over again can somehow change reality.

But that's your brand.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24080 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:26 am to
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Irony considering you think speaking mistruths over and over again can somehow change reality.


Dude.

You need either more meds or less if you think I'm lying about anything.

Seriously , see a doctor. It's just getting sad at this point. I may stop attacking your drivel out of pity.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:31 am to
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You need either more meds or less if you think I'm lying about anything.

Says the person trying to invalidate our entire legal system

Yes, I need the meds

Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83949 posts
Posted on 5/10/25 at 8:32 am to
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Yes, I need the meds



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