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re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:07 pm to Lg
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:07 pm to Lg
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Why would you think they would?
Because there were historians taking record of lesser occurrences occurring in Judea at that time. Why those and not the more impressive miracles surrounding Jesus' life and crucifixion?
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And the Jews surely weren't going to record him as Messiah.
You'd think the dead getting up and walking around would either convince people, or at least be noteworthy enough to include in historical accounts - even if its brushed off as Jesus being something other than the Messiah.
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So what would be the end game to a made up story about Jesus? Most of the Apostles died pretty cruel deaths.
How many religious worldwide can ask those same questions about their particular religion and the persecution they received while their beliefs were still in its infancy and wasn't accepted?
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:12 pm to lsufanz
quote:"Proven" is not the same thing as "convinced". I can make a compelling case as to why my truth claim is actually true and it might even convince some people, but that doesn't mean it will convince everyone. You even find this in the scientific community when talking about raw numbers and irrefutable facts. Conclusions can be challenged where the facts may stand on their own.
Sorry, you’re wrong. My God created your God. Now I can ramble on as you have with all sorts of things the I BELIEVE and neither will have proven anything.
quote:You're correct that my believing a thing does not automatically make that thing true. My understanding is this: I believe it because I'm convinced it true. It's not true because I believe it. There's a subtle difference there that makes all the difference.
I don’t doubt that you believe what you believe, but that in no way makes it factual.
quote:A defense of an idea or claim can come in many different forms but the first necessary step is to state your idea or claim.
I’m not sure how you equate repeating with defending.
So far all I've been doing is answering questions regarding what I believe, so repetition has been necessary.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:12 pm to FooManChoo
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...a tool used by fallible humans to try to understand the natural world. It is only as good as the humans that use it and while it is extremely useful in many aspects, it is not perfect by any stretch.
If you take away reason, accountability, and curiosity, that sounds an awful lot like religion.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:23 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Which is why you fail to appreciate the supremacy of My God.
We're talking about truth claims. Not all truth claims can be verified to the satisfaction of every person.
quote:Big difference between told and taught, but I'll pass it along anyway.
If you've actually been taught everything I've laid out so far, then kudos to your teachers.
quote:Well, some things can be tested, replicated, explained, built upon and the rest can be assigned no more certainty than myth.
Everyone speaks from faith. Everyone has a worldview with basic assumptions that shape how they view the world and interpret what they perceive
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:29 pm to FooManChoo
quote:as did Jim Jones, David Koresch, Hitler, Charles Manson...
I can make a compelling case as to why my truth claim is actually true and it might even convince some people,
quote:It's true because you're convinced its true, not because you believe it's true. Subtle, indeed.
I believe it because I'm convinced it true. It's not true because I believe it. There's a subtle difference there that makes all the difference.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:48 pm to crazyatthecamp
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Paul was preaching and conferring with the apostles about the divinity of Christ in the years following the resurrection.
Wasting your time. I mentioned a half dozen 1st and second century bishops who had writings confirming the the belief in the divinity from the first century. The myth that divinity was a Constantine invention is accepted as fact.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:07 pm to BlackAdam
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I mean we know that Jesus' divinity wasn't settled in Christianity until the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
This is accurate. "A half dozen 1st and second century bishops who had writings" doesn't change that.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:17 pm to BlackAdam
I am sure neither the believers not the unbelievers or the ones in between changed their minds much in this thread.
I do like hearing other perspectives though.
I do like hearing other perspectives though.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I can hardly believe ya'll are still at this. 
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:22 pm to TrueTiger
Always.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 1:22 pm to crazyatthecamp
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I am sure neither the believers not the unbelievers or the ones in between changed their minds much in this thread.
Although the category of “unbelievers” covers a broad spectrum of “beliefs” I understand your point and this may be the only point on which we can all agree. ??
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:14 pm to FooManChoo
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The same evidence for God in nature exists for everyone. Some are convinced that there is a God and some don't. The issue isn't with the evidence but the stubbornness of the person who refuses to accept it.
There is not a single shred of evidence for a deity in nature that cannot be better explained by science. God of the gaps isn’t a strong argument, especially since the gap is shrinking day by day.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 3:58 pm to CFBFAN1121
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Every single study done to compare the IQ between atheists and believers show atheists have higher IQs.
You can't show me a single study that shows believers to have a higher IQ.
How absurd! This ties into my original point of authoritarianism (my way or the highway bullshite) within the scientific quack community.
Your post in ingenious, if meant to be humorous! I'll give you an upvote if so.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:02 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Has whatshisface who beheaded a demon with a dream sword stopped by tochime in?
Any other highlights?
Any other highlights?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:38 pm to CorporateTiger
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Has whatshisface who beheaded a demon with a dream sword stopped by tochime in?
Any other highlights?
beejon hasn't been around for awhile, at least not as beejon.
Mostly just the usual suspects preaching the usual nonsense.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 4:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
beejohn the GOAT “I know nothing about evolution, here’s why it isn’t true” warrior.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 5:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Nope, I got your point, which is why I responded as I did. But sure, I offered to break it down for you because I'm not prepared to do that.
Your point was completely non-responsive. That was intentional because you can't "break it down". But, I'll give you the opportunity. Break it down. Let's see what you've got.
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Yet here I am. Deflecting...pretending I'm not the one confused.
Fixed it for you.
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Ask your questions. We'll get you sorted out...
I have no questions. I've made a point which you did not address intelligently. I'm awaiting you giving it another try. We both know you won't.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 5:55 pm to moneyg
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Your point was completely non-responsive. That was intentional because you can't "break it down". But, I'll give you the opportunity. Break it down. Let's see what you've got.
Ask me to do it. Be polite. Show me that you want to have an actual discussion.
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Fixed it for you.
Very clever.
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I have no questions.
Of course. You're just here to run your mouth. It's not an accident that I'm treating you like I am.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 6:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Of course. You're just here to run your mouth. It's not an accident that I'm treating you like I am.
Me: Still waiting
You: Still deflecting and pretending it's my fault you can't offer an intelligent reply.
This is going exactly as I predicted.
ETA: I predict you will continue to choose not to respond in a meaningful way related to the topic.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 6:47 pm to moneyg
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Me: Still waiting
I already said that on the last page. Try something else.
I've already detailed what you need to do. Do it. Or don't.
Up to you.
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