re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God

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I don't feel this way.

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I think maybe you do and don't understand it, but I'm willing to hear you out as to why you don't feel that way.

I think the issue here is that we don't actually take seriously God's character and God's law. We think that unless we are killing or raping someone, we aren't really that bad or that "sinning" isn't a big deal. Therefore, if we're told that God punishes even children for their sins, we think God is unjust and should "let us off" because we aren't really as bad as He thinks we are. Because of this misunderstanding of the seriousness of our crimes against God (no matter how petty we think they are), we expect God to refuse to enforce the law and exact justice because we think by doing so, it would result in some sort of unfairness. I think that's why this part of the discussion is happening in the first place.

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How do you think a child commits this treason?

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By sinning.

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How has this child "cursed His name?"

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By refusing to obey the King.

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Who is more worthy of punishment in this case?

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The law-breaker/sinner.

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I've already conceded that I'm OK admitting that I don't know a lot, but am trying to use the definitions you've provided. If his conscience says not to pick the booger and he does anyway...

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If he thinks it is wrong to do something and willfully does that thing, I think the Biblical application is that it is sinful, as God gave the conscience to help keep us understand what is good and bad and to act against conscience is to act against the guide God gave us. The topic of conscience is definitely more nuanced than this but I think that's a good starting point.

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How convenient for God

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When did convenience become a bad thing? I'd argue that a lot of what the Bible says is "convenient" because it's true and therefore the convenience is a testament to it's trustworthiness rather than a witness against it.

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Congrats on believing in 2000 year old fairy tales.

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Congrats on your nothingness added to the thread.

So would absolute knowledge of universal Christian salvation make you a Christian?

If you knew that Christ would reveal himself to people that were not reached in this world when they die....and then be given the choice of salvation or not...

Or would it still be rejectable and you just go on living life however you wanted knowing there would be an escape hatch in the after life?

I mean I understand the problem people have with the concept of Jesus being the only way. However I think there is an equally big problem with a for sure second chance for salvation after death. It cheapens all of this existence. At the end it seems possible to me that this predicament is best left unexplained and that Christians strive to be Christ like and evangelize and leave it to a just God to deal with the non believers.

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He made it so simple, a child can understand it.

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If you’re going to hop in to a conversation, make sure you understand the context. The rest of your goofy post isn’t worth addressing, frankly.

Jesus frick.

We lost a great mind of the past century and it's 38 pages of Biblewank and atheist sperging.

Shameful.

His soul or lack there of is no one's concern but his.

And for Christ's sake, read some books besides the Bible, explore our planet and the stars above. That's all Hawkings and people like him want. A world where we understand and appreciate the universe.

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we want God to be an unjust judge because we don't like being punished for breaking the law. I don't feel this way.

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I don't feel that way

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I think maybe you do and don't understand it, but I'm willing to hear you out as to why you don't feel that way.

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Although this is the kind of condescending tone that tends to prevent me from engaging in this type of conversation with convinced believers, I'll attempt to answer because I don't think it was intended with malice.
I don't feel that way because I dont even feel that way about lowly human judges appointed in our legal system. I think a set of rules/laws are necessary for survival and I believe there needs to be consequences for not following them. If there is a God, I would believe him more worthy than human judges.

I understand that to the true believers, what I think of God and his system is comically irrelevant. Likewise, I believe that if there is truly a Creator responsible for us and everything around us, then to Him the writings, declarations, protestations of humans 2000 years ago is equally irrelevant. I think He would be amused that we think we got it all sorted out and written down perfectly in this book for all to follow. I think He'd be amused that so many different groups think THEY have all the answers.

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I disagree but that goes back to a long and drawn-out discussion of each one of the evidences you seem eager to show to prove how the Bible is wrong in this regard. I've done it before and I don't have the energy to do that again along with discussing the philosophical aspects of what I believe. I'll offer to you what I've offered to others: if you really want to discuss that stuff, I'll give you an email address you can use to get that started.

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It's really not complicated. The diversity of the human genome alone removes the possibility of either event being historical fact.

This isn't philosophical or a matter of semantics. It's very basic science.

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I'll give you an email address you can use to get that started.

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No one wants to email you.

Weirdo.

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No. A sin against an infinite and infinitely holy God requires either that infinite God to take on a finite punishment (Jesus) or a finite being (us) taking on an infinite punishment.

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This is what baffles me. I love my children and sometimes punish them with pain, but only so that they will learn and improve. Eternal torment is just torment for the sake of torment. If God is love, and makes the rules, why eternally torture those that fall short or rebel when he could assign any consequence? Is he vengeful?

Thanks for all your effort in this thread.