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States reject tens of thousands of mail ins in primaries, setting up alarm bells for Nov

Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:39 pm
Posted by AUFan2015
Oneonta, Alabama
Member since Oct 2013
1847 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:39 pm
NBC News

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New Yorker Sasha Aickin, 43, has no idea if his vote counted.

It took weeks for his absentee ballot to arrive — appearing in his mailbox just three days before the election on June 23. It came with two sets of instructions in very fine print. Neither set, Aickin said, told him to sign the envelope or had complete information about his options for returning the ballot. He saw the city's Board of Elections account tweet confirming that he could drop it off at his local polling location.

Come Election Day, however, the Brooklyn poll worker to whom he handed his ballot seemed unsure.

“I walked away with very little confidence that my vote was going to be counted,” Aickin said in a phone interview. “And I don’t know if I’m ever going to find out if my vote was counted, because I handed it to someone who didn’t seem to know what to do with it.”




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New York is one of the more than a dozen states that drastically expanded the ability of eligible voters to cast a ballot by mail in this year's primary elections due to the coronavirus public health emergency.

But that expansion — necessary, government and public health officials have argued, in order to reduce the spread of COVID-19 — has strained systems accustomed to handling only thousands of mail-in or absentee ballots at a time, causing weeks of delays in counting that have experts worried that Election Day in November could drag into Election Week.

The flood of additional mail ballots in the primaries has also revealed another problem that could have enormous consequences for November: a sharp increase in ballot rejections. Ballots can be tossed for voter errors like not signing in all the right places, having a signature that doesn't exactly match one's voter registration signature, or reaching election officials too late.

In California alone, a state that allowed all eligible voters to cast a ballot by mail prior to the pandemic and is accustomed to processing millions of those ballots, more than 102,000 ballots were rejected in its March 3 primary, up from 69,000 in the state's 2016 primary.

That number includes some mail ballots that were surrendered by voters who chose to vote in person instead, but the majority of them — some 70,000 ballots — simply arrived too late, according to data first reported by The Associated Press and provided to NBC News by the California secretary of state’s office. Nearly 13,000 voters forgot to sign the ballot, while more than 14,000 signatures were declared a mismatch by officials.

In Wisconsin's April 7 primary, the rejection rate was 1.8 percent, with more than 20,000 mail ballots rejected, according to state data. That's 12 times the number of mail ballots rejected in the 2016 presidential primary.Another 79,000 late ballots were only counted in this year's primary after a court order demanded the state count ballots postmarked on time but delayed by the mail.




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“I'm quite worried that there’s going to be many voters disenfranchised for inadvertent noncompliance with absentee ballot rules," said Rick Hasen, a professor and an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine.

That's because many voters have never voted by mail, and "in part because some states don’t have a lot of experience processing these ballots," he said.




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Kentucky’s State Board of Elections hasn’t finished compiling data from its June 23 primary, but in Jefferson County, more than 8,000 ballots, or approximately 4.4 percent of the county's ballots, were tossed — more than half because the voter had forgotten to sign the ballot or its envelope. In 2018, the state rejected 8 percent of absentee ballots — just 294 ballots, according to local reports.

The office of Georgia’s secretary of state said that counties aren’t asked to report absentee ballot rejection rates to the state, but in 2018 they rejected 3 percent of absentee ballots. The state saw more than a million people vote by mail in its June 9 primary.

A late ballot is the No. 1 reason absentee ballots are rejected, according to the data published in the Election Administration and Voting Survey (EAVS) from 2018 and 2016. Mismatched signatures or missing signatures follow as the second and third most common reasons. A rejected ballot doesn't mean a voter is ineligible to cast a ballot — though it could — and experts say that voter error often appears to be the cause, such as in the case of forgetting to sign one of multiple signature lines on the ballot or not sealing an interior envelope.

Sometimes it's not even voter error: a missing or unreadable postmark can get a ballot tossed, as can mail delays.




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Advocates and experts say that seemingly low ballot rejection rates will have big impacts and millions of ballots could be rejected in the general election. States with large and healthy mail voting operations typically have rejection rates below 1 percent, but the average state rejection rate for absentee voting in 2018 was 1.4 percent.

"This year, the rejection rates are going to be higher," said Wendy Weiser, vice president of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. An electorate inexperienced with mail voting will be more error-prone, and election workers and systems aren't used to processing as many mail ballots.

"Take a look at New York — New York always has high rejection rates, it has been alarming in this cycle," she said, pointing to a NY1 report indicating extremely high rejection rates in certain New York City districts.

Ballot counting is still ongoing in the city, but New York state had the highest rate of absentee ballot rejection of any state in the United States in 2018, according to EAVS data. Nearly 14 percent of the returned absentee ballots, more than 34,000, were tossed by election officials in 2018.

The League of Women Voters filed a lawsuit in July alleging that New York's processes toss too many eligible ballots, arguing that it was unconstitutional not to give voters a chance to fix ballot errors. A plaintiff in the suit is a woman with an essential tremor, a neurological condition that keeps her from always maintaining a consistent signature.

Aickin, the New York voter worried about the status of his ballot, is a former chief technology officer of Redfin, a real estate firm, and lived in San Francisco for 22 years. He said that in his experience, voting by mail in California was simple and user-friendly.

But when NBC News asked both the city and the independent agency that oversees New York City elections whether or not Aickin's ballot had been counted, the agency didn't respond, and the city said that the agency wouldn't tell them. Aickin hopes to vote by mail again in November's general election in New York, but worries the system in place isn't up to the task.

“I don’t know what I could do better to make sure my vote counts,” he said.


Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35952 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:42 pm to
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I don’t know what I could do better to make sure my vote counts

Get your sorry arse to the precinct and cast a vote. Imagine what some people did decades ago just to vote.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45163 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:45 pm to
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New Yorker Sasha Aickin, 43, has no idea if his vote counted. It took weeks for his absentee ballot to arrive — appearing in his mailbox just three days before the election on June 23. It came with two sets of instructions in very fine print. Neither set, Aickin said, told him to sign the envelope or had complete information about his options for returning the ballot. He saw the city's Board of Elections account tweet confirming that he could drop it off at his local polling location. Come Election Day, however, the Brooklyn poll worker to whom he handed his ballot seemed unsure. “I walked away with very little confidence that my vote was going to be counted,” Aickin said in a phone interview. “And I don’t know if I’m ever going to find out if my vote was counted, because I handed it to someone who didn’t seem to know what to do with it.”


You sumbitches couldn’t close an umbrella.
Posted by GeauxTrain
Member since Sep 2019
1691 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:53 pm to
He can go deliver the absentee ballot in person but can't go vote?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146546 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:55 pm to
Here.we.go.to massive mail voter fraud w/o any legal notary absentee signature.

Is there anyone stupid enough to buy this?
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It took weeks for his absentee ballot to arrive — appearing in his mailbox just three days before the election on June 23. It came with two sets of instructions in very fine print. Neither set, Aickin said, told him to sign the envelope or had complete information about his options for returning the ballot. He saw the city's Board of Elections account tweet confirming that he could drop it off at his local polling location.

Come Election Day, however, the Brooklyn poll worker to whom he handed his ballot seemed unsure.

“I walked away with very little confidence that my vote was going to be counted,” Aickin said in a phone interview. “And I don’t know if I’m ever going to find out if my vote was counted, because I handed it to someone who didn’t seem to know what to do with it.”
It's called going to your bank for a free notary and ahh putting a stamp on it and mailing it. (I don't even think you need a stamp)

So why did this ignorant person hand it in at the voting place-where she could have just easily voted there?

Next will be: When I mailed in my 56 mail in votes how do I know John Kasich's dad delivered it?

Or...

When I went to vote at the polling place I voted-how do I know my vote gets counted?

(When you put the paper ballot in the sealed box like a machine) Or when you click done voting on a computer.

Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8369 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:56 pm to
The democrats are going to steal this election and they're going to use Fraud-by-Mail to do it.
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
10124 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:56 pm to
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You sumbitches couldn’t close an umbrella.


I don’t know why, but
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146546 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29221 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 6:03 pm to
My buddy from Houston mailed me a Christmas card , it had a pregnancy announcement on it as well .... mailed it mid December... I got it a month later....

My fat arse could’ve walked it from Houston to MS faster in that time frame ...


I would not t trust the postal service one bit to get 10’s of millions of ballots on time and shipped back to the proper place
This post was edited on 7/18/20 at 6:04 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68039 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 6:04 pm to
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Ballots can be tossed for voter errors like not signing in all the right places, having a signature that doesn't exactly match one's voter registration signature, having a known conservative area's zip code or reaching election officials too late
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67656 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 6:05 pm to
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Tweet
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays

May 27

If you give your mail-in ballot to a friend to drop in the mailbox, you didn't actually vote.

Your friend voted twice.

Once with his own vote and once by deciding whether or not to put your vote in the mail.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 6:06 pm to
Surprised to see NBC running this. Yes, liberals will try to cheat the election if we do mail in voting. Like, for sure, 100%.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57243 posts
Posted on 7/18/20 at 6:06 pm to
All it takes in TEN precints and Biden is president

Think about that for a second
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